July 02, 2005
Shasta Groene Found Alive
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The weblog of a killer: Joseph Duncan's personal webpage reveals sick mind and illusions of demonic possesion.
UPDATE 7/06: Groene family did not know Duncan.
Affidavit claims Shasta repeatedly molested, recounts horrible ordeal.
UPDATE 7/05: Videotape of Shasta Groene in a convenience store shortly before she was found here. Criminal information on Joseph Duncan Below.
Latest news:
A convicted sex offender accused of kidnapping Shasta and Dylan Groene (search) was due in court on Tuesday, as authorities awaited lab results that might confirm their fears the 9-year-old boy is dead.
"Possible" human remains were found at site in western Montana that authorities searched on Monday for signs of the missing boy. The grim news cast a cloud over the joyful reunion of Shasta, 8, and her father, seven weeks after she and her brother disappeared and her mother and two men were found brutally murdered.
Kootenai County Sheriff Rocky Watson said the remains were being sent to the FBI crime lab in Quantico, Va., for DNA analysis, which was expected to take three days.
Watson declined to answer questions, but the fact that he called a press conference at the place where reporters were following the Groene story indicated officials believe the remains were related.
"Unfortunately we believe Dylan to be deceased," Sheriff's Capt. Ben Wolfinger said after Watson's announcement. Shasta told authorities her brother was dead after she was found.
But family members said until there was proof Dylan was dead, they would continue to hope he would be found alive like Shasta was.
"At this point we don't have a confirmation. Until we do have a confirmation, our family is holding out hope that Dylan is still out there and needs to be found," Wendy Price, an aunt, told FOX News.
Information on Shasta Groene's abductor, Joseph Duncan, from the North Dakota Sex Offenders webpage run by the ND Attorney General. OFFENDER IS DELINQUENT is in big print on web-page.
Demographic Information:
Date of Birth: 02/25/63
Sex: MALE
Race: WHITE
Height: 6-01
Weight: 150
Eyes: BLUE
Hair: BROWN
Residence Address:
KOOTENAI COUNTY JAIL
5500 N GOVERNMENT WAY
COEUR D'ALENE, ID 83815
Registration Information:
Expiration Date: Lifetime
Last Address Verification: 07/05/05
OFFENSES
1ST DEGREE RAPE - DUNCAN RAPED A 14 YEAR OLD BOY AT GUNPOINT. HE BURNED THE VICTIM WITH A CIGARETTE AND MADE THE VICTIM BELIEVE HE WAS GOING TO BE KILLED BY FIRING THE GUN TWICE ON EMPTY CHAMBERS. DUNCAN WAS TERMINATED FROM TREATMENT, SERVED A LENGTHY PRISON SENTENCE, WAS PAROLED, AND THEN ABSCONDED. DUNCAN HAD A LONG HISTORY OF SEXUAL AGGRESSION AS A YOUTH.
Conviction Date: 10/02/80
PIERCE CO, WA ,
Disposition: 20 YRS
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If you've had your head in the ground today then you'll want to know that 8-year-old Shasta Groene has been found alive six weeks after the grusome murder of her mom, mom's boyfriend, and her 13-year-old older brother. Dylan Groene is still missing and presumed dead but cops aren't certain that Dylan is dead or not.
There is some in-depth coverage about today's events at Conservative Thinking:
Shasta Groene Found; No Sign of Brother
Jumping into the Online Experience that was Joseph Edward Duncan III
There is going to be all kinds of news about this guy in the next few days. His rap sheet has been getting longer and longer by the day as authorities from the northwestern and north central United States report in to the media about what he's involved in.
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Janette from www.commonsenserunswild.com says this guy had a blog, she has the link up, if you're interested. Pretty sick stuff.
Posted by: jody at July 02, 2005 04:51 PM (FawQf)
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At least one murderous sick punk prick has been caught.
It is high time that the President of the Most powerful country in the world stop polishing his scandinavian firearm and bring home the goddamn bacon: OSAMA BIN LADEN and ZARQAWI!! Now I'm Mad!!! 50 million not enough money?! .. We've spent over 300 BILLION fighting every Tom, Dick and Harry behind every Bush and Shrub in the Mideast for those bastards and got nothing but Rummy's old Bagdad friend photographed in his underwear.
With 300 Billion we could have caught
ALL 12000 QAEDAS at 25 Mil each,
even more if the small fry chumps were given a shop-soiled discounted price.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 03, 2005 04:13 AM (ScqM8)
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How about one strike and your out for first degree rape of a child?
ItÂ’s sad to think how many lives would not have ended or been ruined if we could just say there are crimes our society will not tolerate. Do that crime one time and you will never see the light of day again.
The people have to demand better from their State Legislators. If an initiative were written in my State for one strike your out for this crime it would pass overwhelmingly, and I live in a blue State.
Posted by: Brad at July 05, 2005 03:19 PM (3OPZt)
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This is one sick bastard, you hear me?
What kills me is that these perverts are allowed to go about their business over and over, our children suffer, and all we hear is the bleeding-heart bullshit about "rights" and "feelings" and the "fact" that sex offenders can be "rehabilitated" when said offenders will actually state that if released, they will do the same again!
There is no excuse for the fact this man was allowed to walk around free as long as he was. The kicker? There will be the standard public outcry, but then the attention will shift to the next sensation (like the next idiotic uttering of Tom Cruise) and leave those of us who keep demanding that something must be done to be ignored as usual by lawmakers--until an election. Even then, nothing useful is accomplished. While we do have some politicians here in FL who are trying to work for the rights of CHILDREN as opposed to perverts, the prevailing attitude is: "Will you look at that?" and a headshake. What is the answer to concerned parents and relatives? "Look at the law enforcement website for a list of offenders. You can even search by zip code!" That would be nice and effective - if the information was UP TO DATE.
Posted by: Aspiring Drunkard at July 05, 2005 05:16 PM (AdhnO)
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There should be no second opportunity for someone who is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt (as in DNA evidence or "caught in the act"). I believe criminals of this type should be executed within 24 hours of conviction. Not coddeled for life at tax payers sufferance. Question is, how does one go about instigating legislation to this effect?
Posted by: Jo at July 05, 2005 08:02 PM (3qwho)
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I wholeheartedly agree with Jo--these pigs need to be executed within 24 hours of conviction. Child molesters abuse hundreds of children before they're caught--then they're given another chance when they are parolled? And look what happens when they are! Save a child -EXECUTE the perverts!!! You can say a prayer for them if you want....
Posted by: Cherie at July 06, 2005 03:47 PM (Bo7Cz)
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I am so happy that Shasta is doing well. I have been praying for her and her whole family. I also have been praying to Shasta's mother who died a terrible death probably knowing there was nothing she could do to save her children.
Please remember that Shasta's family who are no longer with us are with God, and in my belief praying for the family that is on earth.
Posted by: Barbara Klimekoski at July 07, 2005 04:55 AM (QGyvW)
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Well, I'll start by saying I'm a bleeding heart liberal who doesn't believe in the death penalty. You can swear at me, it's ok. But I will also say, even us bleeding heart liberals have children. And I can guarantee that I, at least, don't give a damn about this guy's rights or feelings, and rape of ANY kind, but especially child molestation is right up there with murder in my opinion, and WORSE than treason, that's for sure. If ever I DID condone the death penalty it would be now. Actually, part of me believes that more handy justice would be dealt by just putting the man in a room with the girl's father. I'm sure the situation would be taken care of, and we tax-payers wouldn't pay a dime.
Posted by: Melissa at July 07, 2005 09:28 AM (CdZAi)
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There is a sex offender one street over from me. Each day, he walks to the liquor store, no shirt on and he thinks he is hot shit. I've showed my girls and their friends who he is and we are watching him. Last week he was walking with little girl! What mother would let her daughter walk with this freak? In Maryland I think sex offenders should not live witin 5 miles of a school. ACtually, this should hold true in any state.
Posted by: Jennifer at July 07, 2005 09:43 AM (6krEN)
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OK People most of you agree that these sicko's need to be stopped, but will you really help ?
If you will help then go to our website ans join up with us. We are going to do what we can to get the laws changed on how these bastards are punished, and it's not gonna be a slap on the hand and let go in 6 months ! We are gonna push for the toughest law we can and also push for it in every State not just one or two. We will be organizing a million child march in Washinton.
We need as many people as we can possibly get, so if you really think the laws need to be changed JOIN US IN A FIGHT FOR OUR KIDS !!!!
If you find that the website is not up yet please check it often it should be up by this evening July 7 2003. Thanks
Posted by: Sonya at July 07, 2005 02:28 PM (h6N9x)
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I guess this might work if I give out the web addy !!!! Sorry I got excited....the web addy is
www.treasureourchildren.org
Posted by: Sonya at July 07, 2005 02:31 PM (h6N9x)
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website is up and running....we need volunteers, please join us in our mission to change the laws reguarding All Sex Offenders in All States !
www.treasureourchildren.org joining is totaly free.
Posted by: Sonya at July 07, 2005 09:38 PM (h6N9x)
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Saddness.....Pain....Anger....Revenge.....Justice!
Not that it really matters, but I am an Idaho Native. I was born and raised my entire life not far from where the Groene's lived. In a community where everyone was neighbors, and there was never much fear when you forgot to lock your door at night! Nothing like this has ever happened here, EVER! Idaho is one of those places that most people don't know exists until something like this does happen. I for one wish that it never had. This is something that has saddened, and shocked the entire community, and will change our lives forever. That however is small potatoes compaired to the life that Shasta, and many other children like her will have to endure for the rest of their lives. I for one can not imagine the things that she must have seen, and the things that she may have had done to her. The only thing that I can do now is to pray to God that he may show mercy, and save the rest of her as best he can.
How does this happen, where is the law, how did this man slip through the cracks, how do they justify letting him out, how can they say he was not a large enough threat? Is he a large enough threat now?
This man is a repeat offender, he has already been judged and labled as such. How could they allow him bail, how could they not have acted sooner, how could they not think that it would happen again?
I do believe in the death penalty. I do believe that one should pay for their crimes. I do believe that our children need to be protected, because without protecting them how can we live with ourselves! Something needs to be done, and it needs to be done NOW!
I only wish they had caught him sooner. I have not seen this on the National news, but we here in Idaho know that Shasta and Dylan's older brother was in the Kootenai County Jail less than 72hrs before this MONSTER was detained there. The swiftest justice in this entire case would have been if the jailers could have locked this sorry excuse for a human in the cell with these childrens brother, locked the door, and walked away!
Posted by: Jo from Idaho at July 07, 2005 10:14 PM (pO1tP)
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JO from Idaho....you are so right ! How can this happen, it happens because of the laws !!! We can change them but we have to unite and join forces that is why I am asking everyone to go to www.treasureourchildren.org we are going to get something done to where these people cannot hurt our children. It does not cost anything to join. We are new and have a lot of work to do, but it will get done ! Please join us in our fight !
Posted by: Sonya at July 08, 2005 10:46 AM (h6N9x)
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There's a lot of what you say that I don't agree with (me being a left wing bleeding heart liberal and all), but PLEASE know this: I, and most of my leftie friends, do not believe that this man deserves anything but the worst. I am a survivor of heinous things myself, so I know first-hand what these children must've gone through. I don't believe that people like Duncan can be reformed. I DO believe that normal people, just like us, from all parts of the political spectrum, need to work together to make sure that people like this don't get away with it. One way to help is to work to repeal the statute of limitations on sex crimes against children. Call your representatives. Tell them how you feel and push them to making this law. The perps that victimized me will never be prosecuted because it wasn't until I was an adult that I could come forward and deal with the issue. They are molesters, but even though I have a written confession (an apology), I can do nothing about it. They live in a normal little neighborhood where they don't have to register as sex offenders because they were never caught. Just think of all the sexual predators we could put away for good if the statute of limitations was repealed. Why don't we work together, left and right, on this? It would be so much more productive than bickering. Please consider exploring this idea and doing all that you can to make it so. Thanks.
Posted by: Tish at July 13, 2005 11:34 AM (9+5w0)
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All child molesters should be put in with general population once convicted there will be no need for death penalty.
Posted by: Jane at July 17, 2005 12:44 AM (erflC)
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First of all the hardest thing is getting the prosecutor's to prosecute.My three year old grand-daughter has been molested by her moms boyfriend and we cant even get them to press charges.what's wrong with this picture!!!1
Posted by: lisa at July 17, 2005 12:26 PM (M7kiy)
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i have followed this story from the beginning. I have lost three nights of sleep over this sad horrific story.I have a grandson named DYLAN JAMES also 10 years old on 10-31-95. tHE MOST HORRIFIC THING I HAVE EVER WITNESSED IS MY then 7 yr.old grandson was ran over right infront of my own eyes.He was only 5feet in front of me when this happened. Doctors at the trauma center did not expect him to live,but through some miracle he recovered fully.That is why i cant get this precious little girl off of my mind.God for some reason let my baby grandson survive,he also let little Shasta survive,for a reason.THANK GOD he did. I have only hope for this little angel.I think about her so many times a day. She being only 8 years old has taught me so much about fear. I think about what she endured in that 7 weeks with a madman.She inspires me to confront my own fears of losing my grandson, my fear of being home alone and so scared every night at home. My husband is gone alot so i'm left at home alone alot.AND IF SHASTA COULD ENDURE WHAT SHE DID ,THEN I AM NO LONGER AFRAID,IN FACT I WOULD TRADE PLACES WITH HER IN A HEARTBEAT IF SHE COULD HAVE BEEN SPARED WHAT SHE HAD TO GO THROUGH.MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERERS ARE WITH THIS PRECIOUS LITTLE GIRL. I HOPE THE BEST FOR HER.
Posted by: Bebop at July 18, 2005 12:21 AM (nWc4I)
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SHASTA AND DYLAN GROENE RODE MY BUS WHEN I WAS IN THE FITH AND SIXTH GRADE !!!!!!!!!!! I use to sit and talk with them and I used to tease them. Now I feel awful about that. I am now going into the 8th grade, and I still remember the whole bus route. I've gone to a different school now for two years(I was held back because of age). I'm turning 14 this summer, I feel really awful about the kids especially since I knew them personally. I'ts sick what Duncan has done and he should have been on the death penalty when he 16. He already was charged with over 20 sex offenses!!! And I hate the thought that they would let our community get away with that!!! Stupid!!The dumb shit needs to be drug behind a truck by his toes, then beat with a claw hammer!!!! I can relate to Shasta because I was molested when I was ten by my stepdad. I have to go to counciling still to this day because of my thoughts and beliefs about sex. I don't think I'll ever be the same, and some day when I'm with a guy and I can't have sex because it brings back memories I swear I'm gonna hunt the jackass down that raped me.
Posted by: googler29 at July 20, 2005 09:41 AM (7XCm5)
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Ed Gilmore is a rapist!!!!!!!!!!
-Jude Halloway
Posted by: Judecamanchie at July 20, 2005 09:50 AM (7XCm5)
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Ed Gilmore is a molester!!!!! and his credit really SUCKS he can't pay for a damn thing . hes living below poverty way below!!! Loser Jackass now the whole world knows your nothing but scrap a meat on the back porch waitin' for the dogs to come chew you up!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: judeifergoose at July 20, 2005 09:54 AM (7XCm5)
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I am so happy they found Shasta otherwise she could have been killed or abused and taken aadvantage of he is a cyco he does not deserve to live that kind of thing should not happen everyone should be able to live in peace without robberies and killers and cycos like Duncan 3 i think this is just unbeleivally insane what kind of sick illminded skum bag does this does he that it is cool or something what an idiotic cyco. God what is wrong with people these days people want a safe envirment and a safe place to stay where people can let there children play outside and not worry about SKUM BAGS like him He doesn't deserve to live
Posted by: Katie at July 22, 2005 11:59 AM (a0pFf)
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Just wanted to agree with everyone on here...no child should have to go through an experience as horrific as that. I'm disgusted by the fact that he was let out after so many offenses and evfen more disgusted by the fact that the whole ordeal went on for seven whole weeks. I can't imagine what her life will be like after this..but I wish her the best. On a more positive note....I work at a technology store and recently we had a person bring their computer in for repair. While trying to fix the computer some illicit material was all of which involved children. I don't know the person's background...if they were an offender or not but i'm happy to report that the person was arrested while trying to pick up his computer. I have no children of my own but I have plenty that are near and dear to me and this felt like a victory. Just shows that we can all do something in our own way.
Posted by: T at July 26, 2005 01:32 AM (3SaVv)
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No second chances. They need to be put away forever with never one tiny shred left for their freedom. Get them counseling, get them help... ok...but never let them out in society again. They never need another chance to prove that they have not overcome their sick mental problem. No child, or person, should have to suffer to prove that. Just do what someone once mentioned earlier...One strike and you are out FOREVER!
No second chances with this kind of crime. I do not feel sorry for where they have to find places to live when they get out. It would solve this problem if all sex offenders would never be released... then we would never have to read the sex registry list either to find out who may be our neighbors. That is, if, and only if, they are actually living where they say they are. Today it was shown when a man, who had a history long of sexual abuse, was not living where he stated and again abused...this time a 20 month old baby. ONE STRIKE... AND OUT FOREVER!
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The Evil Fascist Loving Left
Dean Esmay has recently called for truth in labelling for those that embrace the
insurgency. In that spirit, here are a few comments from reader's around the world. Especially important is the
context in which these comments are made.
If you are a consumer of the more radical leftist media or much of the Arab press, you might be forgiven for believing the 'resistance' in Iraq is no different than any number of revolutionary movements--hence Michael Moore's Minutemen analogy. Further, the news you read would be full of alleged attrocities committed by U.S. soliders while such things as the intentional murder of civilians by the 'freedom fighters' would be downplayed or explained as a tiny minority of incidents.
If this was the news you were reading daily, you too would root for the Islamo-fascists in Iraq, because your perception of them would be quite different than reality. Hence, I have argued on this blog from day one that the Bush doctrine--that we will not distinguish between countries that support terrorists and the terrorists themselves--ought to be extended to media outlets as well. Any media outlet that openly supports those bent on creating a Taliban like state in Iraq are the enemy of the United States and legitimate targets in war.
Such was the case during WW II when Joseph Goebells, had he not taken his own life and the life of his wife and six children, would certainly have been tried and convicted of war crimes and crimes against humanity for his daily propaganda. It is also upon this principle which led to the conviction of Julius Streicher and for which he was hanged.
While such propaganda during times of peace may be seen as the price for an open society, the context of war changes everything. Words said in peace usually are harmless, but the same words during a shooting-war leads to death, destruction, and a continuation of hostilities.
What is the power of propaganda? I am convinced that most of the insurgents in Iraq actually believe they are fighting for a good cause. Further, they actually believe they are winning the long-term fight. If you were exposed to the daily propagandizing that they are exposed to, you might also. If we want to win we must convince those who may potentially go to Iraq to fight it is the insurgency that are the bad guys and that they are destined to fail.
Here is an example of a comment from a man who's IP address tracked to the Netherlands--which has a huge Muslim population and an even larger population of fascist apologists. What is so disgusting about the comment is the context in which it was given. The post described the taking of a Japanese hostage with an update that takes the reader to gruesome images of the dead man. Hans:
iraqi resistance has the right to defend thier land, what we see now is just the begining of long term fight..
Another comment from the same post, this one from
Nicky, who's IP puts him/her somewhere near Atherton, CA:
i think the US is the real terrorist, and no matter what they do, this fight will never end, they are in for a more deadly and bloody Vietnam.
The so called terrorrist or insurgents are for me freedom fighters trying to free their land of occupying forces and they are doing well. for this to end the US must pull out of iraq because their main reason for going there is the oil and not WMD as claimed by bush. Shame to them!
Here's a comment from
this post--a post with images of Abu Musab al Zarqawi cutting the head off a Bulgarian civilian. Even after seeing who and what the insurgents really are, Ionescu Iulian, from Romania, still thinks it is the Americans that are the bad guys:
YOU THE AMERICAN PIGS DESERVE WHAT THE GLORIOUS IRAQI FIGHTER FOR THE FREEDOM DO TO YOU> YOU BUSH IS A MURDERER>REMEMBER
The time has come to treat the Global War on Terror as TOTAL WAR. Such all out war would recognize enemy propaganda outlets for what they are--part of the machinery of war. If not, the jihadis will continue to raise money, recruit, and fight in Iraq.
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Dr. Rusty,
I'm working on a piece that is relevant here. I posted an excerpt over at Roger Simon's earlier.
BTW great work on the Ahmadinejad Photo Affair. Dr. Zin is running a flanking movement to your original post.
Seems as though the hostages are holding firm on their ID. They are making their ID after seeing him in news accounts after his "election" victory. They are not basing this on the AP photo. I'll post some add'l info in your thread.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Photo Debunked: Hostages Still Adament Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Was Involved (UPDATED)
Link to Dr. Zin
Here's the excerpt:
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Roger,
I will share an excerpt from a piece I'm working on re President Bush's speech this week, what the American people really think, and the craziness of the LL and the MSM.
I will post it later but here are some relevant passages:
How to Lose a War
What more do the leftist and the MSM want?
[...]
In creditable polls (RAND Corp and Pew), the American people do see a need for our continued presence in Iraq in terms of the larger GWOT. With the disinformation that the leftists and MSM are spewing, the people are left confused at times.
[...]
The MSM is no longer a relevant provider of objective information. We, in the Blogos who know differently, are left preaching to the choir. We read posts from Zeyad and Omar and other bloggers who are the true foreign correspondents in this war who are literally risking life and limb to report from inside these repressive tyrannical regimes.
The Blogos now has the power to bring objective news/info of the day directly to the American people without filtering or blocking by the leftist aristocracy and the MSM.
Yes, there is some truth that we created the Iraqi insurgency problem in Iraq. If you subscribe to the "flypaper" theory as articulated by Grim of Grim's Hall and others, we are drawing the loyal robotically programmed Jihadists into Iraq like moths to a porch light. I would rather kill them over there where we have the resources to do so then have them on kamikaze runs in our neighborhoods.
[...]
UPDATE -
I should add the majority of the suicidal bombers of late are actually Saudi/North African and not Iraqi.
[...]
Also it seems the local Iraqi "insurgents" are taking exception with these foreign Jihadists killing innocent Iraqis. There have been recent reports that the Iraqis are actively engaging in firefights with the "foreigners."
I wonder if we have cut a deal? You know we have had some talks with the indigenous Iraqi insurgents. Go figure on that one.
Do you suppose the MSM will get around to reporting this significant bit of information in their laziness or failure to understand what's going on?
Apparently some folks are tracking this on Jihadist websites with the "death statements" of these bombers and have made this finding.
Gee, I would call this real investigative reporting. NAW!
Posted by: Ron Wright at July 02, 2005 05:21 PM (RxRYD)
Posted by: Russ at July 02, 2005 05:38 PM (zShs1)
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Your opinion seems, to me, to be tha sanest judgment that I have read in quite a while.
Does the American two-party system make it impossible to successfully fight a war that has not been declared by Congress?
Posted by: Toby Shandy at July 02, 2005 07:32 PM (ywZa8)
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Maybe, although this war was declared--there is no other way to read the authorization of force other than a declaration of war.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at July 02, 2005 08:39 PM (JQjhA)
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Toby, Congress declared war with the resolution in October of 2002. Its the Democrats who have abandoned our country in time of war.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at July 02, 2005 09:50 PM (xauGB)
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YOu're right. You were right before and you're right now.
Posted by: Jane at July 02, 2005 10:25 PM (6krEN)
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Robin Roberts,
Have you ever hunted wasp's nests?
Looks like the Iraqi government we put into power is using elecrtric drills to drill through the kneecap bones of those hung from the ceiling by handcuffs. Hot irons are dragged around the chests of prisoners to get answers.
Iraqi troops we trained are singing odes to Sadam. Those who don't sing are insurgent-informers. Never mind Democrats abandoning us. the Iraqis are.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 02, 2005 11:18 PM (ScqM8)
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DSM, put down the Kool-Aid, I think it's gone bad.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 03, 2005 12:21 AM (0yYS2)
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Dear Impy,
Your revolution is already happening, but the bad guys are doing it..
Join me if you dare on the great wasp's nest hunt:
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,1520419,00.html
www.globalpolicy.org/security/ issues/iraq/resist/2004/0907baath.htm
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 03, 2005 03:16 AM (ScqM8)
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DSM:
You have learned well at the madrassa kaffir. Your worthless hide shall not be wiped for you have mouthed the words the immans have taught you well. Tomorrow kaffir you shall shout at the top of your lungs about the millions of innocents killed by the imperialist Americans. Then you shall behead a three year old infidel for the glory of Allah.
Posted by: Osama at July 03, 2005 05:37 AM (DT110)
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Osama: you, strange young man, are a barbarian and in need of a rendition. I'm savin' a buckshot shower for you just to force Bush to pay me 25 mil.
Impy - you are an incorrigible banshee.
Defense Guy, you help me find him and we can split the cash bush is gonna pay.
Robin Roberts, what is it like being Klanrooster's loving spouse?
Greg - I still think Osama is in Naples.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 03, 2005 06:16 AM (ScqM8)
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Indeed, DSM, your Koolaid seems to have fermented on you. Its long past time for you to grow up.
Posted by: SPQR at July 03, 2005 10:54 AM (xauGB)
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How to Lose a War
What more do the leftist and the MSM want?
Happy 4th of July everyone. Please remember just what we are celebrating as our brave men and women in uniform are going into HarmÂ’s Way to protect what we hold dear.
Here's the complete draft essay re the LL and the MSM I just posted over at Roger SimonÂ’s:
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President Bush has not waffled on his message, “We must stay the course.” He was re-elected after much debate on this very issue by the American people.
In creditable polls (RAND Corp and Pew), the American people do see a need for our continued presence in Iraq in terms of the larger GWOT. With the disinformation that the Liberal Left (LL) and MSM are spewing, the people are left confused at times.
The LL as well as the MSM are so wracked with anger and disdain for this administration, they canÂ’t see the forest for the trees. We are not bogged down in any quagmire nor is this another Vietnam or is this an US imperialistic colonial movement; no matter how hard they may wish it so or try.
[Â…]
As Hugh Hewitt says we are in a transformational period as great or greater than Martin LutherÂ’s time and the Protestant Reformation. With the advent of the printing press and moveable type this wrested control of the news, science, and thought of the day away from the aristocracy and the Catholic Church. Once the news and information was more freely available to the people, they were free to decide what to consider creditable and what the truth was.
The Blogos now has the power to bring objective news/info of the day directly to the American people without filtering or blocking by the LL aristocracy and the MSM.
[Â…]
We need to be honest with the American people. This is a war we cannot afford to lose. We are at war with a very cunning, determined, patient, stateless and transnational enemy driven by and unified in a common bound of a cult-like religious ideology. This a male dominated theocracy of hate and evil from the 12th Century whose stated mission is to destroy all of us - Islamofascism. Please remember this radical movement declared war against the US in 1993. It was only after the 9/11 strikes did we take notice.
This ideology is not unlike the other failed ideologies that have been discarded into historyÂ’s dustbin e.g., Nazism, Communism, and Fascism. These ideologies couldnÂ’t provide for the needs and wants of the people. They failed to provide an equitable distribution of resources and wealth among the people. The key failure is they do not recognize the fundamental truth of the free will of men and women. In particular, the Achilles Heel of Islamofacisim is its failure to recognize the importance of women. Not until we crush and wipe this ideology from the face of the earth will this war be over.
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Finally, I have yet to hear a coherent alternative strategic plan put forth by the LL and the MSM to win this war. Until they have a plan worth pursuing, the Honorable Senator Feingold, Senator Kennedy, Senator Kerry, and Senator Durbin can:
SHUT THE @#$% UP!
Their constant gum flapping is sending mix messages to the enemy. This only empowers and emboldens the enemy to kill more innocents and to kill or injure our brave men and women in uniform who go into harmÂ’s way on our behalf. These thoughtless political statements only serve to hurt the morale of our troops. Our military is defending our very way of life, culture, and freedoms we hold dear from the enemy in the GWOT.
Link Here
AND MY GOD BLESS AMERICA!
[Of your choosing or none if thatÂ’s your belief]
Posted by: Ron Wright at July 03, 2005 12:37 PM (HsiFR)
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Similar thoughts (ultimately from Drink-Soaked Trotskyite Popinjays for WAR) here: http://www.aimoo.com/forum/postview.cfm?id=505202&CategoryID=438727&startcat=1&ThreadID=2133436
Posted by: Garth at July 04, 2005 01:47 AM (g4Ska)
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Great golly, miss Molly! Propaganda is a message. With all the money that has been spent on Bush's escapade in Iraq, we could have paid off every Iraqi to the sum of $12,000 so they could turn in all the Killer-Qaedas. Instead, the Bathists are paying $400 bounty for every American soldier. We are paying 30 times more than the Bathists do in order for the Iraqis to hate us. What kind of craziness is that??
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 04, 2005 06:01 AM (ScqM8)
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DSM said:
"Impy - you are an incorrigible banshee."
Uh... thanks? Damn you? Mazel tov?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 04, 2005 09:17 AM (0yYS2)
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DSM:'Greg - I still think Osama is in Naples.'
Indeed. I met him in a pizzeria. He's a pleasant chap. He claims he had nothing to do with 9-11, declaring it to have be an 'inside job'.
Posted by: greg at July 04, 2005 11:40 AM (5PyOd)
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Just so y'all know: Somebody posted as "Osama" above...wasn't me! If the real Osama is in Naples, I hope his beard gets caught in a super-hot pizza. Hmmm. No. Better that he gets hit by a cab and knocked down a cobblestone street...
Posted by: osamabeenhiding at July 05, 2005 11:44 AM (klOV8)
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The press would have you believe that the Gitmo prisoners are docile and subservient victims being horribly brutalized by sadistic American soldiers. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Military authorities have previously disclosed some incidents of guard retaliation at Guantanamo Bay, which resulted in mostly minor disciplinary proceedings. What emerges from 278 pages of documents obtained by The Associated Press is the degree of defiance by the terrorism suspects at Guantanamo.
The prisoners banged on their cells to protest the heat. They doused guards with whatever liquid was handy — from spit to urine. Sometimes they struck their jailers, one swinging a steel chair at a military police officer.
Some prisoners at the U.S. base in eastern Cuba have gone on the attack, as in April 2003 when a detainee got out of his cell during a search for contraband food and knocked out a guard's tooth with a punch to the mouth and bit him before he was subdued by MPs. One soldier delivered two blows to the inmate's head with a handheld radio, the documents show.
In another case, an inmate threw a partially full urine bottle at an MP in May 2002, apparently because he believed the soldier had intentionally kicked his hospital bed. When the soldier threw the urinal back, the detainee grabbed a steel chair and swung it at guards before they subdued him.
Think about it, had these been American POWs in WWI, WWII, Korea, Viet Nam etc, they would have been shot or hanged. What's amazing and the real story here is the amount of restraint our boys have shown.
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Sorry that this is off topic, but I think it is too important to ignore.
Published: July 01, 2005 11:30 PM ET
'NEW YORK Now that Time Inc. has turned over documents to federal court, presumably revealing who its reporter, Matt Cooper, identified as his source in the Valerie Plame/CIA case, speculation runs rampant on the name of that source, and what might happen to him or her. Tonight, on the syndicated McLaughlin Group political talk show, Lawrence O'Don nell, senior MSNBC political analyst, claimed to know that name--and it is, according to him, top White House mastermind Karl Rove.
Here is the transcript of O'Donn ell's remarks:
"What we're going to go to now in the next stage, when Matt Cooper's e-mails, within Time Magazine, are handed over to the grand jury, the ultimate revelation, probably within the week of who his source is.
"And I know I'm going to get pulled into the grand jury for saying this but the source of...for Matt Cooper was Karl Rove, and that will be revealed in this document dump that Time magazine's going to do with the grand jury."
Other panelists then joined in discussing whether, if true, this would suggest a perjury rap for Rove, if he told the grand jury he did not leak to Cooper.'
Oh, oh!
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 07:23 AM (3D/yw)
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Holy Christmas, that BUSH LIES bonehead might have been right about "Rove is Satan", even when blathering drunk or drugged! BUSH LIES is still a rotten punk, desert-dweller though.
About Gitmo, those captives in there are real badasses, or local animal herders who have become so powerful behind bars that the Qaida uses them to boost recruitment. I'd rather have 'em put on trial than to have them be used as recruiters for the ugliest terrorists to come for America again. Call me stupid if you want, I say deny the Qaedas that recruiting asset.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 02, 2005 07:45 AM (ScqM8)
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and then:
'Zogby Poll: 42% Would Support Impeachment Proceedings Against Bush
Zogby | July 1 2005
President BushÂ’s televised address to the nation produced no noticeable bounce in his approval numbers, with his job approval rating slipping a point from a week ago, to 43%, in the latest Zogby International poll. And, in a sign of continuing polarization, more than two-in-five voters (42%) say they would favor impeachment proceedings if it is found the President misled the nation about his reasons for going to war with Iraq.
The Zogby America survey of 905 likely voters, conducted from June 27 through 29, 2005, has a margin of error of +/-3.3 percentage points.'
Another, Oh, oh, moment.
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 07:48 AM (3D/yw)
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Published on Friday, June 4, 2004 by FindLaw
'The Serious Implications Of President Bush's Hiring A Personal Outside Counsel For The Valerie Plame Investigation
by John W. Dean
Recently, the White House acknowledged that President Bush is talking with, and considering hiring, a non-government attorney, James E. Sharp. Sharp is being consulted, and may be retained, regarding the current grand jury investigation of the leak revealing the identity of Valerie Plame as a CIA covert operative.'
Reposted in light of the MSNBC revelation.
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 10:30 AM (3D/yw)
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greg, didn't Zogby also say Kerry won the 2004 election?

Anyway.
Hmmm, so terrorists are "defiant" while our soldiers are "torturers"... is that about right, AP? FIlthy rag.
Posted by: Ariya at July 02, 2005 10:31 AM (IXXEm)
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I don't put much reliance on polls. And especially ones which gather information from as little as 905 "likely voters". How many millions of "actual" voters are there? 120 million? 130 million? What cities did they call? How many in each city?
Polls are simply guessing games and
sometimes they get lucky. People grab at the one's they agree with regularly and see the one's they don't agree with as anomolies or they just ignore them.
It'll be interesting to see if Rove is the guy.
Posted by: Oyster at July 02, 2005 10:33 AM (YudAC)
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I just got back from the Live Aid concert. It's probably still going on. It's being held at Circo Massimo, the place where the chariot race in the movie, 'Ben Hur', supposedly takes place.
I'm sure many of you neocons think it's all bullshit. Some of the hard core members probably think we should just kill the Africans and put them out of their misery. Maybe it is bullshit. I don't know, but it was fun.
The Italian 'Yutes' are a fun bunch. I sat down on the hillside with a large group and we exchanged pleasantries. I didn't recognize any of the Italian bands and I think they were a little offended by that. I told them I remembered a great band from my last trip to Italy, Battista. They said he was indeed famous but he's dead now, so I apologized and they all laughed. I asked them if they had heard of Stevie Ray Vaughn and none of them had.
Every once in a while I smelled something familiar. Something I hadn't smelled in decades. No not pussy, hashish.
They say that of all the sensory modalities, the olfactory system can evoke the strongest memories.This may surprise you, but as a teenager I was a handful. In the 10th grade my mother found my stash of 1 hundred '747' qualudes. My mother told my dad and sent me off to live with him. My father was a visiting professor at the Univ. of Roma at the time. He was living with his new wife, a graduate student not much older than I. He really didn't want me around so he put me in a school to live, St. Steven's Episcopal (sp?)School in Rome.
Everyone there was from a wealthy family except for me. One of the students was the son of the US ambassador to Italy. For Christmas, he and his family went to Saudi Arabia. And upon his return, using the cover of diplomatic immunity, he smuggled in to Italy a chunk of black opiated hash that was so fresh it was maleable and would liquify when lit. We split it up and each got about 10 grams. The most famous students were Idris and Rita Al Sanusi (sp?). They were both the sons of the deposed king of Lybia, King Idris. Idris was the heir to the thrown should the monarchy ever be reinstated. They didn't sleep at the school like the rest of us. Everyday, the drove to school followed by the Carabinieri, the Italian Federal Police. Kadaffi was out to kill them possibly. We were best friends. After school I'd hop in their car and get them high as the Carabinieri followed us. Although the offense for drugs was very serious at the time, I was immune from the law while I was in their car.
Those were great times. I returned to the US the next year and we didn't keep in touch. I think about them from time to time, like tonight when I smelled the hash. I hope they're well and hope that someday Idris becomes King. I don't believe in monarchies, but he would make a good and kind king. I can't say the same thing about the younger brother, Rita though.
Buona notte. Tomorrow I head south to the province of Calabria.
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 04:03 PM (3D/yw)
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Ah the kaffirs Greg and his love toy DSM have demonstrated their ability to mouth the word of Allah as taught to them by the immans. Osama is overjoyed to see such wisdom by kaffirs, even though its harder to seperate them from the goats aand camels that are reserved for the glorious jihaddies. Continue your work and your vile relations will be ignored by the caliphate. Continue to spread the word of Osama.
Posted by: Osama at July 03, 2005 05:42 AM (DT110)
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>>>"Oh, oh!"
greg,
don't hold your breath on this one. This is just another "scandal" in a lost list of failed Liberal scandals that have fizzled out with nothing more than a whimper. Rove is indeed mentioned in the notes turned over by Time magazine’s Matthew Cooper—but not as the source of the leak.
Posted by: Carlos at July 03, 2005 10:30 AM (UWO6N)
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osama,
is that really you? You're sounding more and more like a rightwinger every day. I'm very pleased with your progress.
Posted by: Carlos at July 03, 2005 10:33 AM (UWO6N)
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"Osama" young imposterous man, you should be ashamed of yourself for being such a tasteless young naughty hooligan. Your dog has eaten your opium, pissed all over the cave you live in and then took a giant half-digested brillo pad and crayon steel wool rainbow dump right on your game plan. Just thinking of you makes me mad and I'm going out to shoot some more wasp's nests.
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July 01, 2005
Insert Fatwa -->HERE<-- (Do it yourself Festival of the Fatwas)
The following
infidels,
Zionist monkeys, and
Crusador pigs get a
fatwa for celebrating the
Great Satan's anniversary!
Click on the links below for
blasphemy,
heresy, and
lies! Want to participate? Just link any of your most fatwa worthy posts to this post and send us a trackback. A fatwa will be issued below.
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I issue a fatwa on: http://satp.blogspot.com/2003/08/story-media-covered-up.html
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 01, 2005 05:52 PM (ScqM8)
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Then, I use the Washington Monument to symbolically flip off the White House liars, the fattest porkmongers of Congress and the Rummy Gang. Then I'm going wasp nest hunting!
Improbulus - you need medication, young man.
Osama binX - may the sounds of caterwauling keep you up at night.
Defense Guy - you still haven't pissed me off yet.
BUSH LIES - you're a punk, desert-dweller who poses with cactuses.
Thanos35 - help is on the way...
Babblar - you can run, but you can't hide.
Bradley - stay away from Rooster.
Rooster - may you use your tongue to clean the exhaust soot off the walls of the lincoln tunnel.
Jihadis - your days are numbered, punks!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 01, 2005 06:08 PM (ScqM8)
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Blasphemy, heresy, and lies?! Wow, lemme see which of my relevant posts I should post....Well...I could post ALL of them, but....
Posted by: Feisty at July 01, 2005 08:40 PM (QBrm4)
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Osama may have to issue a fatwha on DSM for molesting his pet sheep again. Kaffir you were warned about neglecting your duties at the madrassa by attending the NAMBLA meetings. Your vile and filthy habits are of no concern to the holy warriors so long as you spread Osama message. So leave my sheep alone kaffir and get back to spreading lies, I mean the word of Allah.
Yes and prepare the next bomb for the kindergarden oh wretched offspring of a cross between Hildabeast and a goat.
Posted by: Osama at July 03, 2005 05:45 AM (DT110)
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Osama, you are like the one wasp that tried to get away from the nest I shot down last week.
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Caption Contest

Caption the above photo, get a fatwa!
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What about the original caption first? Then we can go from there...

That must be an Israeli girl...
Posted by: Ariya at July 01, 2005 02:43 PM (IXXEm)
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Edward Klein releases a photo from his recent book, "The Truth About Hillary" he says is proof of two of his assertions: That Sen. Clinton was deeply involved with lesbos (Code Pink) and Vince Foster.
(Editor's note: Hillary Clinton involved with lesbos should not be constrewed not "good gay".)
Posted by: Editor at July 01, 2005 02:53 PM (adpJH)
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golldang it! I screwed that one up...
amend:
...Klein explained the lack of a face shot was to "hide his source".
And "constrewed"[sic; correct: construed] was to be "conscrewed", you know, for a play on words.
Is it Friday yet?
Posted by: Editor at July 01, 2005 02:57 PM (adpJH)
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Victoria's Secret Wants You!!
Posted by: Bubbe at July 01, 2005 02:57 PM (cbAi4)
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Ward Churchill’s girlfriend sits in the bedroom waiting to FRAG her lover when he gets home after finding out he was “CHIMPIN” another CU co-ed.
Posted by: Brad at July 01, 2005 02:58 PM (3OPZt)
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"If you think you're getting in here, guess again"
Posted by: Jonathan at July 01, 2005 03:03 PM (wdVtc)
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"Hipless 13-yeal old girl in big sister's thong plays with dad's gun."
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 03:12 PM (8e/V4)
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Nice!
The G in G-String stands for GLOCK.
Posted by: SayUncle at July 01, 2005 03:14 PM (CDrd/)
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Is that a gun in your thong or...no, that's pretty clearly a gun in your thong.
Posted by: Eric J at July 01, 2005 03:16 PM (hrQvk)
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Is that a gun in your pants or are you just happy to see me.
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 03:17 PM (8e/V4)
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sorry Eric, I guess you beat me to it.
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 03:18 PM (8e/V4)
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I'm going to blow your head off, but not before I fuck your brains out.
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 03:19 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Darth Redneck at July 01, 2005 03:20 PM (PX+vn)
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Basic Instinct II: No More Wussy-Ass Icepicks!
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at July 01, 2005 03:26 PM (JQjhA)
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"Howie just wait till you get home you SOB. I called your desk 12 times already, Where hell are you at. And turn that cell phone back on you bastard I have not run up the phone bill enough yet.
This usually occurs right after the last 4 calls when she did reach me. You think terrorists are scary.
Posted by: Howie at July 01, 2005 03:37 PM (D3+20)
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[1] "Penis envy" is now officially an outdated concept.
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[2] "I discovered that while it was great for keeping whispy liberal boys at bay, Frank J. has suddenly begun stalking me."
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[3]
"Speak for yourselves, girls (especially you,
Jane.)"
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Plink in the pink. (apologies to all an sundry for this one)
Posted by: ccwbass at July 01, 2005 03:40 PM (wVtIP)
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"Why do they hate us? Is it because we're murderous whores?" Thank YEEEEEW!
Posted by: sst at July 01, 2005 03:41 PM (zBFNs)
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And I thought it took a while to get used to the "string in my ass" sensation.
Posted by: carin at July 01, 2005 03:44 PM (3OUyp)
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 03:47 PM (8e/V4)
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Katie Holmes prepares to surprise her fiance, Tom Cruise, with some suggestions for her character in the upcoming film, MI3: Hubbard Comes In From The Cold.
Posted by: tee bee at July 01, 2005 04:13 PM (q1JHF)
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The worst part is getting a wedgie when I draw my gun. I gotta get a new holster...
Posted by: Gekkobear at July 01, 2005 04:14 PM (XWr9N)
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"I have a gub."
or
Happiness is a warm gun
Happiness is a warm gun
When I hold you in my arms
And I feel my finger on your trigger
I know no one can do me no harm
Because happiness is a warm gun
-Yes it is.
Posted by: Aaron's cc: at July 01, 2005 04:34 PM (ov6Vw)
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Daddy wanted to get us Uzis but couldn't find a concealed carry holster!
Posted by: Dan Melson at July 01, 2005 04:35 PM (8GGdx)
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"Take the Safety Off - Dial 976-GUNGIRLS"
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Find Her Silencer - Win a $25 Gift Certificate
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Calvin Klein Announces:
Brooke Shields - Reloaded
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Does This Handgun Make Me Look Fat?
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Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 01, 2005 04:48 PM (ZmivM)
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Shot in the ass and you're to blame...
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 01, 2005 04:53 PM (ScqM8)
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Stretching the boundaries of "concealed" carry....
Posted by: Russ at July 01, 2005 05:19 PM (zShs1)
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The question is, “What’s more annoying, the barrel against your cheek, or the lace in your crack”?
Posted by: Cindy at July 01, 2005 06:22 PM (48zd8)
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buy now and save 50%--the glock strap.
Posted by: shawn at July 01, 2005 07:23 PM (kuSz0)
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Ortho-Nova is marketing a new patch to the Second Ammendment Sisters.
______
Paris Hilton is ready the next time someone tries to steal her Blackberry.
[OK, guys: tell me we haven't seen enough of Miss Hilton to know that's her non-existent derriere and almost non-existent undies!]
Posted by: Quid at July 01, 2005 07:46 PM (72bu2)
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Conservative Dating. Meet the Red State girl of your dreams.
Posted by: William Teach at July 01, 2005 08:33 PM (HxpPK)
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Feisty was glad to find a thong that matched her sweater and a gun that matched her pants so she could BANG! BANG! BANG! in utter style.
Posted by: Feisty at July 01, 2005 08:46 PM (QBrm4)
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Do You really think you can handle this?
Posted by: Justin at July 01, 2005 09:30 PM (J7x9I)
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This is why WE are going to lose you stupid FUCKS.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,15797327%5E1702,00.html
Assholes.
No seriously, close your open browswer windows replete with porn, pull your pants back up, wipe the smirk off your face, and understand this at a fundamental level: WE are going to lose in Iraq at the current pace because the current climate of assholedom that you promote and/or subscribe to. And yes, I coined a term there. You're welcome... fuckstick.
Posted by: sst at July 02, 2005 12:08 AM (7VUbD)
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Taking "pop a cap in your ass" to a whole new level.
Posted by: Will Franklin at July 02, 2005 12:31 AM (mXBZN)
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Filing system for the anally retentive.
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 12:54 AM (3D/yw)
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Don't even think about picking my weggie.
Nothing gets between my calbins, except my automatic.
sugar and spice and everything ammo.
does my ass look big?
Posted by: Cav at July 02, 2005 02:21 AM (QGpLt)
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Do it yourself tattoos. Inquire within.
Posted by: Chris Short at July 02, 2005 03:02 AM (0OCQY)
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‘xcuse me while I whip this out.
Posted by: phin at July 02, 2005 06:40 AM (DGPlf)
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The newest Victoria's Secrets addition - "The Thongat Line"
For those romantic evenings on the range, in the hood, or the trailer park.
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 08:15 AM (PXESm)
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I didn't make the 8:15 post. Someone is impersonating me.
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 08:22 AM (3D/yw)
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" Go ahead, make my day !"
Posted by: Michael Marler at July 02, 2005 09:27 AM (M7kiy)
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If I get more more crack about my thong... I'll murderize ya!
Does this thong clash with my Glock?
Nice Glock! Thanks, I had it field stripped just for you.
Posted by: lawhawk at July 02, 2005 09:32 AM (It67r)
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"The day my f***buddy also became my bodyguard"
or
"Let's see the Code PInk chicks do this."
Posted by: ratan at July 02, 2005 10:13 AM (pdzQc)
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Yesterday, Senator Ted Kennedy presented evidence which he claims proves that Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld has sent the US military, most notably female soldiers, into combat without proper equipment.
Posted by: Graeme at July 02, 2005 12:12 PM (nzuqL)
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The backstage competition was fierce for Tonya Harding,during the new Ice-capades mini tour "Trailer Tramps On Ice"
Posted by: Doug at July 02, 2005 12:38 PM (W+urw)
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When you pry it form my...
Nevermind.
Posted by: Stephen Macklin at July 02, 2005 12:51 PM (ics4u)
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Victoria's Secret reveals its new
Gunderware line.
Posted by: Rodney Dill at July 02, 2005 01:29 PM (tGTSA)
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Butt floss & a .45...........
Posted by: oxen at July 02, 2005 02:30 PM (D3EOk)
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Hey ! I've saw that before ... thats a Redneck chastity belt !
The kind my daddy gave me growing up in North Carolina !
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>>>"
WE are going to lose in Iraq at the current pace because the current climate of assholedom that you promote and/or subscribe to."
boo hoo hoo, I'm sure you're so worried about that. In fact you're hoping, nay, praying to goddess for it.
Posted by: Carlos at July 02, 2005 11:52 PM (UWO6N)
Posted by: ZiPpo, Imperial Privateer at July 03, 2005 07:13 AM (QaNJ/)
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 04, 2005 09:41 AM (0yYS2)
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"This gun is a real pain in the ass."
or
"Note to self: next time, no silencer."
Posted by: Venom at July 04, 2005 10:34 AM (dbxVM)
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You are never wrong with a gun in your thong.
Posted by: Alnot at July 06, 2005 02:58 PM (pO1tP)
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Howie's news roundup
So here are the things Howie found today. Submitted for your reading pleasure. And I wish people would stop calling with problems that aren't.
Iranian VP voice of '79 kidnappers.
Bush asks for fairness on Nominee to be named as early as next week.
Also we see that a team of special forces is still missing and the Taliban claims to hold at least one. This link may die quickly.
Iran progressing backwards??
A quick reversion of hard won social freedoms seems to be occuring right after that country's election.
full Story here.
David McCullough's 1776 exerpts. David has a new book out and they are reading exerpts each morning on NPR. Sounds pretty good. 102 Minutes on radio reader so far is pretty good. I was wondering if any of Osama's friends made the book.
Apparently Nancy Pelosi has upset several boggers while this is a bit stale it may still make for a good argument.
Captains quarters has a few things to say to start us off.
Full transcript of Ms. Pelosi's interview
Congress has cut funding for developers who use the recent Supreme Court Decision to push residents from homes. Like they will need it and this does not help small enterprise as far as I can tell.
Well that call I got sure put a cramp in my plan for deep editorial opinions. You may thank them below.
Have a fantastic weekend everyone and watch those fingies. But I like things that go boom.
UPDATE: Michelle Malkin is on effin fire today!!
Good news, civilian casualties DOWN in Iraq.
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Went wasp-nest hunting again.. Those damn hives are all over the place. Shot another one and it just blew up. Wasps were everywhere!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 01, 2005 05:07 PM (ScqM8)
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Your link to Nancy Pelosi's press conference should be of major concern, at the very least, to all Californians. About 3/4ths the way down she was asked THREE times how she felt about SCOTUS' ruling on the eminent domain issue and she dodged it each time. At one point segueing into a rant about the separation of church and state then following up with likening Supreme Court decisions to those of God. A small excercize in irony there, eh Nancy?
I think her silence on the issue speaks louder than anything.
Posted by: Oyster at July 02, 2005 07:41 AM (YudAC)
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Man in Iranian Hostage Photo Said Identified
Take it for what it's worth, but it does bolster
the theory offered in this post.
Times Online:
But today, an reformist newspaper in Tehran, Shargh, said that the Iranian students shown in the photograph were JaÂ’afar Zaker, a militant who went on to die in the Iran-Iraq war, and a student known only as Ranjbaran, who was later executed for alleged links to an extreme opposition group.
As for the American hostage shown in the photograph, The Times learnt yesterday that he is Jerry J. Miele, who was working at a communications officer at the Embassy in 1979. Reached at his home today in Mount Pleasant, Pennsylvania, Mr Miele, 66, declined to comment on the photograph but said: "I don't have anything to say about the new President of Iran, I don't want to cause any trouble."
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He was my neighbor's ex.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 01, 2005 05:08 PM (ScqM8)
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I wish these koranimals would get their stories straight. Well, they do last least have one thing in common, the guy they claim is in the picture is dead now. How convenient!!
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Ex-Iranian Agent: Photo Not Ahmadinejad
A top Iranian former secret agent said Saturday that the hostage-taker in a 1979 photograph that has come under intense scrutiny is not President-elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad but a former militant who committed suicide in jail.
Saeed Hajjarian, a top adviser to outgoing President Mohammad Khatami, identified the man in the photo dating to the 1979 U.S. Embassy siege as Taqi Mohammadi.
Posted by: Oxen at July 02, 2005 02:42 PM (D3EOk)
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Stay Focused, guys!
If a "picture is worth a thousand words," what's an unsolicited non-coerced CONFESSION worth?
(junkyardblog.net/cgi-bin/mt/mt-tb.cgi/4511)
(junkyardblog.net/archives/week_2005_06_26.html#004511)
Those guys can quibble over nose-hair count all they want. As far as I'm concerned, he could look like Mother Teresa. If he say he da man, den he da man. Even if he wasn't involved with the hostages, if he identifies that stongly with evil, then he is evil.
One more observation. Why would a leader have the role of shelpping the prisoners around? Leaders don't shelpp when they have lower level grunts to do it. Also, grunts have to scowl. It's part of the job description. Outsmiling the leader, or cracking one at the wrong time is, at best, a BAD career move!
So, I'm for ole happy-face to his left (our right, as we look at the pic (Jawa has "?" and arrow)), and so are these guys:
(theoxrant.blogspot.com/2005/07/weve-been-looking-at-wrong-guy.html).
Yep, that sure looks like him all right.
You distract him with the nose-hair count while I get the hellfire missle.
Oh, wait, what was I thinking? The UN would never allow such a 'criminal' act, unless it was committed by a muslim against the USA.
(...and, even more important, if it got him elected, what does that tell you about the voters, huh?)
Posted by: HesThereKeepLooking at July 03, 2005 03:09 PM (2vX1h)
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And OpenEarsToHear...
HeDaMan! (NO, NOT THAT ONE, THE OTHER ONE!)
If a "picture is worth a thousand words," what's an unsolicited non-coerced CONFESSION worth?
(junkyardblog.net/cgi-bin/mt/mt-tb.cgi/4511)
(junkyardblog.net/archives/week_2005_06_26.html#004511)
Those guys can quibble over nose-hair count all they want. As far as I'm concerned, he could look like Mother Teresa. If he say he da man, den he da man. Even if he wasn't involved with the hostages, if he identifies that stongly with evil, then he is evil.
One more observation. Why would a leader have the role of shelpping the prisoners around? Leaders don't shelpp when they have lower level grunts to do it. Also, grunts have to scowl. It's part of the job description. Outsmiling the leader, or cracking one at the wrong time is, at best, a BAD career move!
So, I'm for ole happy-face to his left (our right, as we look at the pic (Jawa has "?" and arrow)), and so are these guys:
(theoxrant.blogspot.com/2005/07/weve-been-looking-at-wrong-guy.html).
Yep, that sure looks like him all right.
You distract him with the nose-hair count while I get the hellfire missle.
Oh, wait, what was I thinking? The UN would never allow such a 'criminal' act, unless it was committed by a muslim against the USA.
(...and, even more important, if it got him elected, what does that tell you about the voters, huh?)
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And OpenEarsToHear...
HeDaMan! (NO, NOT THAT ONE, THE OTHER ONE!)
If a "picture is worth a thousand words," what's an unsolicited non-coerced CONFESSION worth?
(junkyardblog.net/cgi-bin/mt/mt-tb.cgi/4511)
(junkyardblog.net/archives/week_2005_06_26.html#004511)
Those guys can quibble over nose-hair count all they want. As far as I'm concerned, he could look like Mother Teresa. If he say he da man, den he da man. Even if he wasn't involved with the hostages, if he identifies that stongly with evil, then he is evil.
One more observation. Why would a leader have the role of shelpping the prisoners around? Leaders don't shelpp when they have lower level grunts to do it. Also, grunts have to scowl. It's part of the job description. Outsmiling the leader, or cracking one at the wrong time is, at best, a BAD career move!
So, I'm for ole happy-face to his left (our right, as we look at the pic (Jawa has "?" and arrow)), and so are these guys:
(theoxrant.blogspot.com/2005/07/weve-been-looking-at-wrong-guy.html).
Yep, that sure looks like him all right.
You distract him with the nose-hair count while I get the hellfire missle.
Oh, wait, what was I thinking? The UN would never allow such a 'criminal' act, unless it was committed by a muslim against the USA.
(...and, even more important, if it got him elected, what does that tell you about the voters, huh?)
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Al Reuters Misleading Headline of the Day
No evidence yet Iran leader involved in 1979 siege
The article then goes on to list statements by the White House which amount to, "we're still looking into it", denials by the Iranians, and an interview with a former hostage who says he doesn't recall personally seeing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, but he believes the others who say they did.
Fair and balanced.
Related here and here.
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'No evidence yet Iran leader involved in 1979 siege'
Evidence? You don't need no stinking evidence.
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 12:56 AM (3D/yw)
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Fun With the Taliban
Ever want to e-mail a Taliban spokesman? You know, maybe find out his favorite color, which Beatles album he thinks is the best, or maybe what he thinks the prospects are for the AL taking the series this year.
Here are three e-mails from a pro-Talibam website with links to Mofti Latifollah Hakimi, spokesman for the 'Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan'. If you speak Pashtun, make sure to give him our best wishes!
alemarah@alemarah.com
alemarah1@yahoo.com
Khyber_safia@yahoo.com
As always, if you receive a reply, please FORWARD it to me immediately.
Interestingly enough, the website in question is registered to a man in Pakistan but is hosted on a Canadian server. Aren't there Canadian troops in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban today?
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Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 01:59 PM (3D/yw)
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It's very clever of someone to spoof my e-mail address to send hate mail to muslim websites, but it's a childish prank at best, and at worst could land you in jail. Whoever is doing it, (cough greg cough), should probably reconsider before the Men in Black™ come after you in their Black Helicopters™ and take you before the Elders of Zion™ and use their Evil Joooish Mind Control Device™ on you.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 01, 2005 02:21 PM (0yYS2)
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"Aren't there Canadian troops in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban today?"
No, horses do not travel too well in the mountains.
Posted by: Chad Evans at July 01, 2005 03:00 PM (oFwgF)
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Maybe my e-mail being in English is one reason I haven't heard from the last pen pal you posted. Ah, language barriers. So many wonderful relationships thwarted. Hey, if anyone can send something in Farsi, Egyptian, Lebanese or other appropriate language, that might help me "make friends" with Alemarah or Khyber. Mucho apreciado!
Posted by: tee bee at July 01, 2005 04:20 PM (q1JHF)
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Impy, young man, I can't imagine you hating anyone.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 01, 2005 05:10 PM (ScqM8)
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Improbulus,
It wasn't me. You are the least of my concerns. I doubt anyone likes you very much, so it could have been anybody.
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 12:18 AM (3D/yw)
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I can't believe it the [AMCANS] people especially the middle predominant class can be sooo IPOCRIT, PERVERT, IGNORANTS and EASY to manipulate by the high society, WITH SO MUCH ANGRy and HATE INSIDE.
I am a socialist and I am proud I was born in a socialist country AT LEAST MY COUNTRY OFFER ME THE CHANCE TO LEARN FOR FREE! ("dumb" [amCANS] please pay attention!) more than 3 foreign languages. I have free medical care ("ignorant" [amCANS] pay attention!).
Why you use the communism sign (the hammer?!). I bet a lot of amCANS don't even know what means that sign. But you are full of stupidity and in plus the rest of the world can see beter what kind of society you are?!, full of uneducate people. What have to do the comunism sign with the most recently war - your war?
Posted by: Marco at July 08, 2005 12:04 PM (u9dSe)
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Is this for real? Lol, like it.
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Photo Debunked: Hostages Still Adament Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Was Involved (UPDATED)
UPDATE: Scroll down for updates.
Two days ago Iran Focus alleged that the photo below was of Iranian President Elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. We, of course, jumped right on the story.

Yesterday watching Hardball with Chris Matthews, one of the former hostages--I believe it was Don Sharer-- denied that the man in the photo above was Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. But he claimed that he was 100% sure that Ahmadinejad was one of his captors, but that the photo above was not of Ahmadinejad. He said that Ahmadinejad was only around occasionally and seemed to be a leader of some sort when he did come around.
Oxrant was the first that I know of to attempt to debunk this. I should have linked to it yesterday but I was busy being sick. Look at the photo comparison which he gives here. (Click image below for close-up)

It looks as if the critics may be right on this one. It should be noted, though, that noses can change over time. My father's, for instance, who broke his nose several times and it never looked the same. But having said that, Oxrant's comparison does seem compelling.
But wait....there's more. Oxrant notices some Freepers doing their homework here. The image compares recent photos of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to another person in the 1979 AP photos. Look at the man in the turtleneck, just to the right of the person circled above.

Were we simply looking at the wrong man in the photo? Go check out Oxen's other photo comparisons. Here's another page with more of the same photo comparisons.
CRITICAL UPDATE: Take this for what it's worth, but it certainly seems relevant. Times Online:
But today, an reformist newspaper in Tehran, Shargh, said that the Iranian students shown in the photograph were JaÂ’afar Zaker, a militant who went on to die in the Iran-Iraq war, and a student known only as Ranjbaran, who was later executed for alleged links to an extreme opposition group.
As for the American hostage shown in the photograph, The Times learnt yesterday that he is Jerry J. Miele, who was working at a communications officer at the Embassy in 1979. Reached at his home today in Mount Pleasant, Pennsylvania, Mr Miele, 66, declined to comment on the photograph but said: "I don't have anything to say about the new President of Iran, I don't want to cause any trouble."
Here is part of
the transcript from Hardball that I just found:
ANDREA MITCHELL:.... We have taken that picture, a number of pictures, in fact, to a former FBI photo expert, Chris. And he says that there is a less than 50 percent chance that the person in the photograph [ed: the one we highlighted two days ago] is the person that is now the president of Iran....
MATTHEWS: Let me ask you about the—the question is, though—let me ask you to take a look at the picture again. This is the president-elect. We‘re going to show you a picture of the president-elect of Iran. There he is, the man on the right [ed: recent photo of Ahmadinejad].
The man on the left [ed: old AP photo that we highlighted] in the monitor you‘re looking at, Mr. Sharer, is someone who has been mentioned as someone who was close to you, who was one of the captors. It‘s really not important. But does the man on the left look like the man on the right you? And is the man on the left the man you remember as well?
SHARER: Yes. The man on the right [Ed: recent photo of Ahmadinejad] is the one that I saw that reminded me of it, and just about the same beard.
MATTHEWS: Right.
SHARER: Had a little half-inch, quarter-inch growth.
MATTHEWS: I know what you mean.
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SHARER: And the man on the left [ed: the old AP photo that we highlighted], there‘s too much facial hair to really look at.
So, it seems that even the person that we initially believed was Ahmadinejad in the 1979 AP photo was not him. However, the number of former hostages that say they recognize Ahmadinejad has gone from five to six.
San Francisco Gate :
Six former American hostages have said they recognized Ahmadinejad.
"As soon as I saw the face, it rang a lot of bells to me," Don Sharer of Bedford, Ind., told CNN. The former naval attache at the Tehran embassy said he was 99 percent sure of his identification. "When you're placed in a life- threatening situation of that nature, you just remember those things," he said.
Another former hostage, William J. Daugherty, a former CIA officer who now lives in Savannah, Ga., said he remembered Ahmadinejad "acting in a supervisory or leadership capacity" during the early weeks of his captivity.
Retired Col. David Roeder, 66, who was deputy Air Force attache at the embassy in 1979, has told reporters that Ahmadinejad watched as interrogators threatened to kidnap Roeder's handicapped son in the United States and mutilate him "if I didn't start to cooperate."
Daughtery, the sixth to make the allegations against Ahmadinejad, is a political science professor at AASU.
WSAV:
In 1979, Dr. Daugherty was a young CIA agent. He was stationed in Tehran, the Iranian capital, when he and dozens of other Americans were captured and held for over a year. 25 years later, Dr. Daugherty says a familiar face from that time is now running Iran.
Last week Iranians picked a new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Daugherty says he's sure he was one of his captors.
"This is him, he's clearly- uh you can see he's trying very hard to look menacing and threatening here, here he's looking much more relaxed but you see the similarities in the nose, in the chin, the hair line, the eyebrows."
Dr. Daugherty is a professor at AASU here in Savannah now, teaching political science. He says he's not surprised the new president of Iran is one of his former captors. He says others have held positions in the Iranian government.
The Iranian government says these men are not the same person, but Dr. Daugherty says he knows they are.
"When somebody takes your liberty, puts your life in danger, causes your family great agony and humiliates your country, you don't forget who that person is."
So, who is it that Daughtery is identifying in the old AP photo? It may be that he is wrong about the photo, but right about Mahmoud Ahmadinejad being involved. Remember, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's official biography claims that he was a founder and leader of the group that executed the embassy takeover, although it also claims he opposed the hostage taking. Several unofficial biographies, though, say that not only was he for taking the US embassy, but that he wanted to also take the Soviet embassy as well.
UPDATE: Bryan Williams compares terrorists to Founding Father's. Sure Bryan, the British could have called the Founding Father's terrorists, just like Pakistanis like to call Osama bin Laden a 'freedom fighter' and Michael Jackson called Lisa Marie 'wife'.
UPDATE II: It gets worse, much worse. In our original post we noted that several unofficial biographies of Ahmadinejad claimed he was directly involved with murdering Iranians at home and abroad. Check out this from Dafydd over at Captain Ed's who found more from Global Security:
With the formation of the elite Qods (Jerusalem) Force of the IRGC, Ahmadinejad became one of its senior commanders. He directed assassinations in the Middle East and Europe, including the assassination of Iranian Kurdish leader Abdorrahman Qassemlou, who was shot dead by senior officers of the Revolutionary Guards in a Vienna flat in July 1989. Ahmadinejad was a key planner of the attack. He was reported to have been involved in planning an attempt on the life of Salman Rushdie....
Ahmadinejad, an unabashed conservative, resurrected the fervor of the 1979 Islamic Revolution during the campaign by saying Iran "did not have a revolution in order to have democracy, but to have an Islamic government." Ahmadinejad had a bloody background. He was responsible for the execution of hundreds of dissidents after the war.
So, even if we do not have the photographic evidence that we once though, this man's background is questionable at best and murderous at worst.
The best case scenario--that Ahmadinejad's denials of involvement in and opposition to the 444 day hostage ordeal turn out to be true--
still leave us with a militant fascist Islamists with nuclear ambitions!
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Posted by: Oxen at July 01, 2005 11:23 AM (w9vWW)
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Ah screw it, send in a Stealth strike anyway.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 01, 2005 11:24 AM (0yYS2)
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"You're all looking at the wrong guy.
It's the dude in the turtleneck NEXT to the circled guy.
Posted by nuffsenuff at June 30, 2005 05:22 PM "
If true, good call by nuffsenuff.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 01, 2005 11:35 AM (x+5JB)
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I really don't care if the bugger was the hostage taker or not. He is the enemy. I will be happy when he gets his third eye.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at July 01, 2005 11:54 AM (yBHNA)
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I know this is vastly off topic (forgive me?) but has anyone seen this:
http://bubbleheads.blogspot.com/2005/06/friend-of-my-enemy.html
http://www.gryphmon.com/2005/06/hate_shows_up_a.html
Rev. Phelps from godhatesfags.com is now protesting at Military funerals with signs like "Thank God for IED's", "Thank God for 9-11" his site includes statements like "WBC rejoices each time an American soldier is killed by an IED" and "They turned America over to fags, now he's sending them home in bodybags"
He believes that because his church was attacked with an explosive that God is punishing America, and it's soldiers by killing soldiers with explosives. These guys are as disgusting.
Posted by: dave at July 01, 2005 12:28 PM (fsJ2z)
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Do you think if we ignore Phelps that he might just go away?
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at July 01, 2005 12:38 PM (JQjhA)
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No. I do not believe he will go away, it's not like he's being covered on CCN, the motive appears to be to get someone to assault them in order to sue, or to cause the most torturous grief to people already experiencing such a terrible loss.
He has been doing this for
Years now, he isn't going away.
This guy is a monster, on par with the terrorist scum we face abroad.
Posted by: dave at July 01, 2005 12:49 PM (fsJ2z)
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They picket funerals of soldiers killed in battle. This from their vile site:
"Marblehead, MA Epic (Sgt. Christopher Piper Takes His Spot as the Heroic Whoremonger in Hell) - June 27, 2005"
Lots of anti-Bush diatribe, calling him a warmonger and a monster. They must be Democrats.
Their site is so venomous one almost thinks it's a joke. I hinestly think they're possessed.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 01, 2005 01:39 PM (x+5JB)
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Let us ask his good friend Jimmy. That should settle it.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at July 01, 2005 01:41 PM (Z6yVb)
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What is the bet none of them attend a funeral of the fallen Navy SEAL's because there they might actual face some grievous bodily harm.
Everyone "ignored" these idiots when they picketed the funeral of Matthew Sheppard, now they're moving on to Soldiers, not sure when it will end.
Posted by: dave at July 01, 2005 02:00 PM (fsJ2z)
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Them Aye-rhabs all be looksing alike.
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 02:02 PM (3D/yw)
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Yeah, they do all pretty much look alike. Countless generations of inbreeding will do that to a culture, which is why greg's house only has one family portrait that's passed down from generation to generation.
By the way, Iranians are not Arabs, but mostly Persians and a few others mixed in.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 01, 2005 02:25 PM (0yYS2)
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Yes, they are not Arabs. In fact, the name 'Iran' means 'land of the Aryans' if I'm not mistaken.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at July 01, 2005 03:15 PM (JQjhA)
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It gets even worse than that:
From another article, Ahmadinejad was given the name "the Terminator" because he liked to perform the coup-de-grace shots on political prisoners executed after the revolution.
Posted by: Cog at July 01, 2005 04:43 PM (UxviT)
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I think the second picture is an exact match. The new president of Iran is a hostage taker and a terrorists.
Posted by: Ledger at July 01, 2005 08:11 PM (v1WaO)
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Aye-rhabs er mooselimbs, whatz the fucking difference? Improbulus says we should kill them all, cook them in mother's milk and then feed them to the pigs.
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 12:23 AM (3D/yw)
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Different guys. Look at the earlobes. Doesn't mean they both aren't überweenies.
Posted by: William White at July 02, 2005 04:08 PM (hW+Tn)
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Dr. Rusty,
I just posted in your thread on what to call the enemy in the GWOT and Islamofascism. I mentioned I would post more in your thread here:
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BTW great work on the Ahmadinejad Photo Affair. Dr. Zin is running a flanking movement to your original post.
Seems as though the hostages are holding firm on their ID. They are making their ID after seeing him in news accounts after his "election" victory. They are not basing this on the AP photo. I'll post some add'l info in your thread.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Photo Debunked: Hostages Still Adament Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Was Involved (UPDATED)
Link to Dr. Zin
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BTW folks if you can throw some money in Dr. Zin's collection cup it would be greatly appreciated. He's doing this out of a sense of patriotic duty but his running low on funds and working around the clock on this.
Go figure aren't we all but we have a very limited strategic window of opportunity to assist the Iranian people in toppling the Iranian Islamofascist Theocracy.
If the Iranian people believe they have the support of the American people and the free world they will take care of business on their own and send the armed Pakistani thugs protecting this regime packing.
I don't believe for one minute this administration will blink and allow them to go nuclear. The Iranian people like America but they are a very proud and nationalistic people. A direction military invasion will be costly in terms of PR and lives.
Dr. Zin is a critical portal where information flows into, within, andd from Iran. We need to keep him solvent for the next month or so to pull this off.
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More on AP Photo
A MUST READ
For those interested in this story, this is a great example of the self-correcting ability and the great knowledge base of the Blogos that is a must read.
The Jawa Report and summary by Dr.Zin are now reporting the initial ID of Mr.Ahmadinejad as being the same person in the AP archive photo is a mistake. The Jawa Report is now providing good profile photos for comparison. Those who do this for a living will use the ridge structure of the earlobes for comparison as earlobe ridge structure is generally unique like fingerprints.
Freepers is now providing more photos from the Embassy that have a greater likelyhood of being Mr. Ahmadinejad.
In my 30+ years in LE, this is not uncommon. Especially when only one photo of the suspect that is very similar to the suspect is used. There are five or six former hostages that are quite sure that Mr. Ahmadinejad was a leader of the group that tookover the embassy. They do remember Mr. Ahmadinejad but have misidentified the AP photo as being him.
For further see Dr. Zin's and the Jawa Report summaries as this story as it developes:
[07-02-05] Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Photo Debunked: Hostages Still Adament Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Was Involved (UPDATED):
Link to Dr. Zin
Posted by: Ron Wright at July 02, 2005 05:43 PM (RxRYD)
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HeDaMan! (no, not HIM, the OTHER one!)
If a "picture is worth a thousand words," what's an unsolicited non-coerced CONFESSION worth? (www.homelandsecurityus DOT com/iran.asp)
(junkyardblog.net/cgi-bin/mt/mt-tb.cgi/4511)
(junkyardblog.net/archives/week_2005_06_26.html#004511)
Those guys can quibble over nose-hair count all they want. As far as I'm concerned, he could look like Mother Teresa. If he say he da man, den he da man. Even if he wasn't involved with the hostages, if he identifies that stongly with evil, then he is evil.
One more observation. Why would a leader have the role of shelpping the prisoners around? Leaders don't shelpp when they have lower level grunts to do it. Also, grunts have to scowl. It's part of the job description. Outsmiling the leader, or cracking one at the wrong time is, at best, a BAD career move!
So, I'm for ole happy-face to his left (our right, as we look at the pic (Jawa has "?" and arrow)), and so are these guys:
(theoxrant.blogspot.com/2005/07/weve-been-looking-at-wrong-guy.html).
Yep, that sure looks like him all right.
You distract him with the nose-hair count while I go and round up a hellfire missle.
Oh, wait, what was I thinking? The UN would never allow such a 'criminal' act, unless it was committed by a muslim against the USA.
(...and, even more important, if it got him elected, what does that tell you about the voters, huh?)
Posted by: OpenEyesNSee at July 03, 2005 03:30 PM (2vX1h)
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It's him... (no, not HIM, the OTHER one!)
If a "picture is worth a thousand words," what's an unsolicited non-coerced CONFESSION worth? (www.homelandsecurityus -DOT- com/iran.asp)
(junkyardblog.net/cgi-bin/mt/mt-tb.cgi/4511)
(junkyardblog.net/archives/week_2005_06_26.html#004511)
So, I'm for the guy to his left (our right, as we look at the pic (Jawa has "?" and arrow)), and so are these guys:
(theoxrant.blogspot.com/2005/07/weve-been-looking-at-wrong-guy.html).
(...and, even more important, if it got him elected, what does that tell you about the voters, huh?)
Posted by: OpenEyesNSee at July 03, 2005 03:34 PM (2vX1h)
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The Man in the picture from the american ambessy in tehran is taghi mohammadi,my brother, who comitted suicide in jail. It is not ahmadinejad.
Posted by: dont@mail.me at July 04, 2005 07:23 AM (KQTQ/)
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of course it is him
Look at yourself in the mirror and see how a nose changes when you laugh!!
Posted by: doctor at July 28, 2005 02:20 PM (VJfyM)
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Rusty appears to still be down ill
Well I've emaled Rusty again this AM. No response as of yet but maybe he will stir himself up and drop us a note later. Guest Posters have at it. I have maybe a few little items to post later. I'll try not to repeat my
"OH MY GOD ITS DOWN" and post like a wild man. I think that response is due to 20 years working in DP 24/7. I've got that latest innovation a cell, phone provided by my fine employer that keeps me always on. It's just the culture. Remember the guy in Jurrasic Park trying to hack that morons password after he took the whole park down. Well that's me complete with mountian of cigarette buts. I run on Caffiene, Sugar, and cigarettes. So I get a bit wound up at times. Well except I'm not black or tall or good looking but you get the idea. If you readers have a subject think would make a good friday argument thread drop me a line.
UPDATE FROM RUSTY:
Bring out your dead!
I'm not dead yet.......
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Howie,
Did you see the comments in the thread about the Iran President? they have a URL that says the wrong guy is being circled in the pictures displayed here. Might make for a update at least?
Posted by: dave at July 01, 2005 10:07 AM (fsJ2z)
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Thanks dave but I just saw that Rusty seems to be updating things. Maybe he feels better and if so all I can say is. Hoooray!!!! Oh yyeeeeaaahhhhhh!!!!!
Posted by: Howie at July 01, 2005 10:12 AM (D3+20)
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I think he's faking it. Doesn't want to blog...
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 01, 2005 10:21 AM (x+5JB)
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Yeah but that's so unlike him. He must really feel crappy or be like indisposed. I worried about the guy all night. I'm kind of paranoid and he just let's me worry and worry. Bad Rusty bad.
Posted by: Howie at July 01, 2005 10:38 AM (D3+20)
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Dave: oh yeah that is why everyone should post links. I can't be for sure myself. Even some of the hostages disagree. I do see a similarity in the pic. But also not quite certain.
Posted by: Howie at July 01, 2005 11:09 AM (D3+20)
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Howie--I was kidding about Rusty.
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Fox News: Justice O'Connor's Resignation Imminent
Fox News's Brian Wilson is currently on the phone live with the Fox News desk and has acknowledged that three independent sources that Justice O'Connor's resignation is going to happen. Brian Wilson speculated that there might be a letter to the White House en route.
More to Come...
Mary Katharine Ham says:
Just heard through the D.C. grapevine that Sandra Day O'Connor just retired. Very reliable source. I'll try to find more.
Updates will be seen at Conservative Thinking
Updated by Howie: I got a breaking news email from ABC confirming Justice O'Connor has retired.
http://abcnews.go.com/?CMP=EMC-1396
Update by Rusty: Er, uh, um-----ok, so I can't always be right!
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SAWEEEEEET!!!!
Now wait for the Dems to label ANY Bush nominee as "out of the mainstream".
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 09:37 AM (8e/V4)
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Developer Wants To Seize Supreme Court Justice's Home
Home Would Be Replaced With 'Lost Liberty' Hotel
POSTED: 10:52 am EDT June 29, 2005
WEARE, N.H. -- Following a Supreme Court ruling last week that gave local governments power to seize private property, someone has suggested taking over Justice David Souter's New Hampshire farmhouse and turning it into a hotel.
"The justification for such an eminent domain action is that our hotel will better serve the public interest as it will bring in economic development and higher tax revenue to Weare," Logan Darrow Clements of California wrote in a letter faxed to town officials in Weare on Tuesday.
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 09:38 AM (3D/yw)
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Where's Bork! He's needed!
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 01, 2005 09:42 AM (x+5JB)
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greg,
notice on that ruling it was the Libs who voted in favor, and the conservatives who dissented.
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 09:45 AM (8e/V4)
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Carlos,
At least one must have bewen a conservative, because 5 justices selected Bush as president in 2000. I really don't care who voted for it, the law sucks.
Someone told me there is a plan to build a ten lane highway through Texas. The land acquisition plan is to acquire a 1 mile swath of land through the state to accomodate the highway, an oil pipeline and a utility right of way. It is likely that the judges who voted for the law had projects like this in mind.
If this is true, they're going to be some pissed off Texas ranchers.
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 09:55 AM (3D/yw)
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Golldang, Rusty's gonna have to eat blackened crispy fried crow on this one.
Posted by: Editor at July 01, 2005 09:57 AM (adpJH)
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greg,
Justices Anthony Kennedy, Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer-- moderates and Libs-- were the majority.
The dissent in that case was written by O'connor-- a moderate-- joined by Rehnquist, Scalia and Clarence Thomas-- conservatives.
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 10:06 AM (8e/V4)
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Come on Carlos, you think she's a liberal. That's why you're so happy about her impending resignation.
Alright, I'm in Rome. I pop in to internet cafes to cool down. It's almost as hot as Texas, but AC is a rarity. I paid my respects to JPII today. I made confession at St. Peter's Basilica, attended mass and took communion. The mass was in Italian and I didn't understand much, but I caught the Spirit anyways.
Then I stood outside in a line that was 1 kilometer long, so that I could see Rafael and Michelangelo's work at the Cistine Chappel. It was worth it, but it took a lot out of me. I just had a lemon granita and I'm ready to brave the heat again. I'm going to see il Coloseo and Cerco Massimo.
Ci vidiamo piu tardi.
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 10:23 AM (3D/yw)
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greg,
you're a wily coyote aren't you. O'connor was appointed by Ronal Reagan, so at best she's a moderate.
"On a divided, nine-member court, O'Connor is a conservative with an asterisk: a pragmatic jurist who, when she sees fit, will vote with the four liberal justices."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-06-23-oconnor-usat_x.htm
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 10:27 AM (8e/V4)
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greg,
what the hell are you doing in Rome?
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 10:28 AM (8e/V4)
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I think Rusty probably was not too far off the mark. I was Surprised by O'Connor but Renquist (spelling) is probably next. It' will be down to seven very soon I suspect.
Posted by: Howie at July 01, 2005 10:41 AM (D3+20)
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Greg, like five of the judges, obviously doesn't have an inkling of what the simple language of our Constitution says about eminent domain.
Posted by: Oyster at July 01, 2005 11:19 AM (fl6E1)
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I'm glad to see the bitch go, only I was hoping one of those airplanes that keep blundering into restricted airspace would take out the whole court.
And Carlos, Greg's in Rome to support the Italian fascist movement's campaign to raise money to fight the coalition.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 01, 2005 11:27 AM (0yYS2)
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Greg: They have masses in English at St. Mary's Basilica.
But the priest there won't listen to confessions if they're more than three hours long.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 01, 2005 12:08 PM (x+5JB)
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I hear that Judge Mukasey is going to receive a lot of consideration for the nomination. He's a Reagan appointee, former prosecutor, ties to Israel type of guy, so he would seem to fit the mold.
Posted by: Juan at July 01, 2005 12:52 PM (dO3Ek)
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Oyster:'Greg, like five of the judges, obviously doesn't have an inkling of what the simple language of our Constitution says about eminent domain.'
Oyster, It's true, I don't know what the Constitution says about E D.
I,m against it, isn't that good enough?
Carlos, I'm on vacation in Italy for 23 days.
YBP, A 3 hour limitation blows the deal.
Improbulus,
I know your type. You started killing cats when you were 5 and now you think nothing of killing humans. You can't go into a grocery store and walk down the cereal isle with wigging out (Serial Killer!).
And by the way, the Italian Fascists are pro-war, just like you, you stinking Nazi.
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 01:50 PM (3D/yw)
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Juan:'ties to Israel type of guy, so he would seem to fit the mold.'
LMFAO. Yup, we've turned the steering wheel over to Israel and no one cares. Patriots, my ass. Patriots of Israel.
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 01:54 PM (3D/yw)
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"You started killing cats when you were 5 and now you think nothing of killing humans."
Actually I've always loved animals, but started dreaming of killing hippies before I was 5. At the time hippies were the only species of leftard that I had contact with, but I knew from their stink they were no good. Now I just dream of decorating the streets with leftards dangling from light poles and such. One day, one day...
"And by the way, the Italian Fascists are pro-war, just like you, you stinking Nazi."
Hehe, you're projecting, m'boy, after all, you're the one who hates Joooooooos so much. By the way, how does being pro-war equate with a political ideology? You seem to be in love with Islamofascism, which is nothing but the love of war, so you only seem to be against the US going to war to defend itself or others. You may as well shut up, because every time you open your mouth you expose yourself a little more for what you really are; liar, hypocrite, terrorist supporter, racist, and fascist.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 01, 2005 01:58 PM (0yYS2)
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I am none of the above. Nor do I hate Jews. I don't like the relationship we have with Israel. Hai capito, cretino?
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 02:07 PM (3D/yw)
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Greg, you're a worse liar than you are a philosopher. Nobody here has any questions about how you feel about Jooooooooooooooos. Feel free to continue though, it's quite amusing to watch your bipolar arguments from day to day. Let's see, this is Friday, so tomorrow you have to post something from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or the Communist Manifesto.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 01, 2005 02:28 PM (0yYS2)
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Mukasey has very strong support in the Bush administration. Word is he will either be the nominee for the Supreme Court vacancy or will replace Gonzalez as the Attorney General if Gonzalez is the nominee.
Posted by: Antonio at July 01, 2005 03:38 PM (dO3Ek)
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All I was saying is that he would understand the war on terror because of having israeli relatives, unlike a lot of the bleeding-heart pinkos in this country. I don't think anyone is suggesting that the national security of Israel comes before the U.S. We just need people who understand the War on Terror and the need for provisions like the Patriot Act, and I'm just saying that I think Mukasey is that type of guy for numerous reasons. Perhaps it wasn't the best way to put it and to that extent I apologize. I should have also pointed out that he put away a bunch of the 93 WTC bombers.
Posted by: Juan at July 01, 2005 03:49 PM (dO3Ek)
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Juan:'We just need people who understand the War on Terror and the need for provisions like the Patriot Act'
Israel has us wrapped around their little finger(the mean finger).
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 07:33 AM (3D/yw)
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Paul Joseph Watson | July 1 2005
'After the resignation today of Sandra Day O'Connor, many Washington insiders are predicting that current Attorney General Alberto Gonzales could be Bush's pick to take her place.
Even if he isn't selected this time, another space will open up when the ailing Chief Justice William Rehnquist quits.
The Democrats will come out in full force against Gonzales and then Bush will be able to claim that petty minded partisanship is the motive behind the dissent. This fake squabble will mask the real reasons why Gonzales should be opposed across the board.
Bush will play the race card in lauding the first Hispanic on the Supreme Court and Gonzales' detractors will be labelled as racists.
We don't care whether a person is Hispanic, black, white, male, female, or polka-dotted, just as long as they believe in freedom and the ideals of the Founders.
On every single issue Gonzales has proven himself to be an enemy of liberty.
Gonzales is anti-gun, pro-abortion and pro-torture.
He came out in support of the semi-auto ban earlier this year.
Gonzales cast the tie-breaking vote in the Texas Supreme Court against a parental-consent requirement before a minor could obtain an abortion in the state of Texas.
Gonzales wrote the guidebook for torture, saying the Geneva Convention was "obsolete" and "quaint." He advocated indefinitely holding detainees at secret locations and subjecting them to abuse.
Gonzales said that Bush was above federal ad international law. This is a man that believes in dictatorship.
Gonzales is less conservative than John Forbes Kerry!
Gonzales believes that the Supreme Court alone decide what government actions are constitutional. According to World Net Daily editor Joseph Farah, Gonzales once told him during a dinner, "The Supreme Court tells us what the Constitution says and means."
This is a man that believes the Constitution is a living document and that nine black-robed brethren have carte blanche to interpret it any way they deem fit.'
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 08:10 AM (3D/yw)
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Saudis Issue 'Wanted Terrorist List'
(Riyadh, Saudi Arabia) A list of 36 wanted terrorist suspects along with a schedule of financial rewards has been
issued by the Saudi Arabian Interior Ministry. Fifteen of the suspects are believed to be in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Twenty-eight of the 36 are Saudi citizens while the rest are scattered among Chad, Yemen, Kuwait, Mauritania, and Morocco. According to a statement released by the ministry, all 36 are al-Qaeda members wanted for terrorist acts inside the kingdom.
The reward scheme announced is generous.
Anyone providing information on any of the suspects that leads to the arrest of a suspect will receive SR 1million (US$266,000). If more than one suspect is arrested, the reward will be SR 5million (US$1. 3million). Reward for information that helps stop a terrorist operation is SR 7million (us$1.86 million).
To collect, one needs only to provide information that "leads to an arrest." There's no mention of prosecution or conviction.
With all the money being offered in bounties, i.e. $25 million just for Zarqawi, I'm surprised that there doesn't seem to be many people taking advantage.
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Terrorist punk pricks - your days are numbered!
Defense Guy - you haven't pissed me off. You watch your mouth young man - and stay away from Klanrooster.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 01, 2005 08:07 AM (ScqM8)
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Maybe it's a 'Terrorists wanted'-list. And I'm not phinn, just a Finn, but I think I'll go to phinns place now that I found it.
Posted by: A Finn at July 01, 2005 08:11 AM (lGolT)
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I'm going to turn in Improbulus Maximus and make some easy money.
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 08:16 AM (3D/yw)
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Oops, wrong phinns place, can't believe there are many of them. I assume Howies Phinn aint Finnish.
Weeeell anyway, I've lost interrest, even if it took more than the few weeks or a month that I set as maximum amounts of time for my interrest in blogs and internet commenting would last. Probably since ridiculous radicals have either disappeared, been banned or stopped flaming, and the bright backgrounds annoy eyes on other blogs, so I don't bother reading for longer than ~10min...
Posted by: A Finn at July 01, 2005 09:01 AM (lGolT)
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So finally they're taking terrorism seriously, I guess because they have made their point clear, they're looking to topple the monarchy.
I'd prefer the U.S to get harder on terrorism, by getting harder on Saudi Arabia, with sanctions, and ceasing diplomatic ties with the country until they start taking their role in combating terrorism seriously.
Posted by: dave at July 01, 2005 10:12 AM (fsJ2z)
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So ya gonna turn me in to who, greg? Bin Laden, or Zawahiri, or perhaps another one of your Islamofascist terrorist friends? So tell us greg, at what point did you decide that you hate your country and would rather see it destroyed by its enemies? What did it to you? Did you get beat up by jocks in school a lot or something? Or maybe you always felt that you were too smart to have to work like the proles, and that the only way you could get what was rightfully yours was to support communism? Tell us, please.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 01, 2005 11:31 AM (0yYS2)
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Improbulus,
How can I say this diplomaticaly?
You're a fucking idiot.
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Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 02:09 PM (3D/yw)
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What? The Saudi Royal Family is turning themselves in to...themselves? I guess that's one way to move money around.
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Taking Academic Freedom Too Far?
By Demosophist
The Academic Left's poster boy, Ward Churchill, advocates fragging "for peace." Well, we know there's no shame. But this can't help CU's fundraising or student recruitment very much. Are there any boundaries at all? I don't know, perhaps we don't want to stand in the way of people making complete fools of themselves and their ogranizations? But at some point won't well-meaning people start to think that if we don't draw the line somewhere, then maybe there's some flaw in the notion of patriotism, or the fight against totalitarianism? Won't they be justified in thinking we're not really serious? Is this a case of boiled frogs?
The irony is that I'll bet if someone advocated just beating the snot out of the guy he wouldn't hesitate to sue. (Hat tip: Instapundit)
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Legally, the only recourse for CU to get rid of him is to prove in court that he has hurt the university's reputation and they've lost revenue and enrollments as a direct result. Our freedom of speech
(at this point - keep your fingers crossed - we've seen SCOTUS in all its disgrace now) is so well protected that he can say just about anything. And he WILL get away with it becuse he'll make a federal case out of it. The guy is morally bankrupt.
Posted by: Oyster at June 30, 2005 05:32 PM (YudAC)
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Oyster:
Generally we haven't kept the same standards of speech during wartime, but then most Americans don't even know we're at war, so one can't expect them to be very receptive to the idea of punishing sedition just yet. His statement is actually couched in a way that he could argue he's just making an "if, then" comparison, which
probably avoids the "fire in a crowded theater" exception to free speech. But it might be interesting to test it, just to raise awareness a little.
I'm not sure that CU has a "financial consequences" argument, either. They could fire him for plagiarism or a host of other reasons, of course, without even violating any AAUP strictures. I'm really amazed the guy is still on the payroll, frankly.
Anyway, if they can make money out of
toilet-themed restaurants I guess there's a market for anything.
Posted by: Demosophist at June 30, 2005 05:50 PM (820MO)
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Well if he can advocate violence, which is supposed to be a crime, and face no penalty, then I can too. I hope one of his students "frags" him.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 30, 2005 06:45 PM (0yYS2)
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All good points, Demo. Personally I think the guy should be strung up and horsewhipped. In a time of war or not, this kind of speech is totally unacceptable. He was talking like this before the war. Just no one took notice of him.
Posted by: Oyster at June 30, 2005 06:56 PM (YudAC)
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"ALL" violence is "abhored" by the "peace-loving" Left. There is absolutely NO vilence that is justified, (uh, well, except when they deem it appropriate to "prevent" their enemies from succeeding, and of course to advance their "peaceful" agenda).
The Leftist lunatics hysterically allege that the Right is "planning" future violence. But virtually all the violence is currently being actively committed by...you guessed it, the luny Left. But it's "o.k.," you see, because Leftist violence will "prevent" the Right from carrying out it's "evil" plans, and the violence the Right allegedly intends to commit.
Gee, do you suppose the Leftists can read our minds and see the future, ...'n stuff? I wouldn't know, 'cuz I can't read minds or see the future. But then, I don't have to. Why? Because I can see the discrepency between their words and their actions. The gap is enormous. And, if only the Leftist press didn't share their ideology, or at the very least didn't let it get in the way of the truth, more people would see it. (Of course since interference is part of their ideology you shouldn't hold your breath waiting for them to change.)
They want me to trust them!?
No way!
They give me nothing but useless information and tell me nothing but lies? They aren't fooling me. But the disturbing thing is that they ARE fooling a lot of people, not becaue those people are stupid, but because of the very large Leftist faction of the MSM press which shares the Leftist's agenda. And THAT is the biggest problem in dealing with them.
They control the flow if much of the information we get, and whoever controls information has the edge on determining what people think. Information control can also be used to give credibility to sleezeoids who can't come by it honestly, thus disguising their incompetance and malice. If we knew who they were, we could just laugh at their antics and be done with them politically. Not knowing gives them the edge they need to weasle their way into power and get their busy little hands in reach of the control pannel.
Before you know it, the Supreme Kourt goes from protector of the constitution and individual rights to userper of those rights. They just ruled that individual personal property can be taken away to serve the "greater good" of whoever thinks he or she is gooder or has more mooola to bribe the govt., to agree. (In case you don't know it, Komrad, that is Comunism with a Kapital K.)
I may not be able to tell the future, but I do know that if they succeed in becoming the majority in power, it will NOT be a good thing. They have to be stopped, but NOT with violence. Most Americans are rational and well-intentioned. They are not the low-lifes the elitist Left accuses them of being.
They must be stopped with the truth, which, unlike them, most Americans actually cherish. I just hope it isn't already too late.
Posted by: yonason at June 30, 2005 07:00 PM (INrY9)
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Ward is such a chicken hawk. He needs to go an frag somebody himself.
Posted by: Charles at June 30, 2005 09:22 PM (bVc80)
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i watched the vidoe of this scumbag and it makes me sick...he is pretty much trying to incite volence and murder....freedom of speech my ass, this man should be arrested and prosecuted for his HATE speech and that is illegal...its just like me going out to a corner in Newark, NJ and screaming out that all blacks and hispanics should be killed...see what would happen if i did, why should some scumbag hippy proffesor be allowed to do this when i would be arrested and imprisoned???...this is sad that this man can try and hide behind the Constitution's freedom of speech when he is breaking so many civil rights...were the hell is Jesse Jackson??!!??..maybe some of those officers that Churchill wants fragged are black...Jesse could see money there to be made...yea, im sure this hippy idiot is smart enough to speak his hate speach in a certain way to not directly make himself guilty but there must be some way to bring him down...sedition speach, treason, something...unreal..something must be done about people like Churchill who are in one way or another directly inciting hate...this just isnt a guy saying that he is against the war and maybe doing some peacefull protesting, thats fine and dandy and youre right as an American but to incite murder is something totally different...arrest this man, or i would bet that someone will try and shut him up permanetly
Posted by: THANOS35 at July 01, 2005 12:14 AM (RhtGz)
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Let us put this in perspective. Churchill is a small fry like the punk BUSH LIES.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 01, 2005 05:31 AM (ScqM8)
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Contrast between two administrations: Under Komrade Klinton anyone who was guilty of owning guns and holding religious beliefs was in danger of attack from the FBI/BATF Gestappo, but under Bush, people are free to advocate treason and assassination of political figures and military officers. If I'm not mistaken, neither is supposed to be acceptable in America. The Dhimmicrats like to scream "Nazi" at every turn, but only to hide their own evil. The Republicans are guilty of nothing less than dereliction of duty. Why can't anyone get it right? Is it really impeding someone's First Amendment rights to prosecute them for treason and sedition? No. Is it within the government's rights to send in the tanks, helicopters, and snipers to kill women and children just because some religious fanatic buys a gun? No. We're losing our country, it's slipping away from us. We can't let that happen.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 01, 2005 07:42 AM (0yYS2)
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I'd like to point out two things:
1. Churchill, for all his Truck Driving/AV Using/Special Forces background (don't laugh, remember Casey Ryback was the ship's cook, after he was a Navy Seal, of course, that was a Steven Seagal movie, but the point stands) should know that US forces are trained to have a great deal of autonomy should an officer be killed in a combat operation. So, Churchill's point makes sense only if he were talking about Napoleonic, Prussian or, say, Nazi troops - but not US soldiers.
2. Ward seems to think that the 'fog of war' would allow some chance that the fragger would get away with it. That may have been the case in Vietnam, but investigative techniques have improved since then, there's also the absence of a jungle and an organized fighting force that can mobilize division level forces against you. So, provided the other troops don't just shoot the fragger, there's not going to be any meaningful support.
If I gave a damn, I'd wonder what CU's policy is on having people audit a class, specifically, Ward Churchill's class. Seems that some Veteran's Friendly organization could offer a small stipend to have students or people opposed to fragging sit in on the class.
I think Ward's enough of a hero to withstand a harsh gaze.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 01, 2005 08:01 AM (ZmivM)
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Churchill went to Vietnam I hear. He's a war vet.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 01, 2005 08:08 AM (ScqM8)
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Demo:Taking Academic Freedom Too Far?
One can't take academic freedom too far. The only angle one might use to counter Dr. Churchill is Harrasment, but that would be chicken shit in my opinion.
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 08:13 AM (3D/yw)
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Ward Churchill, a hero? That's pretty funny. According to his resume, when applying at CU, he was a "Public Information Specialist" and his duties consisted of "[writing] and [editing] the battalion newsletter and wrote news releases." His higest rank was Corporal. You know - like "Radar" in MASH? Also, according to the "National Personnel Records Center", his training consisted of "jeep driver and projectionist".
I'd say he is projecting all right.
Posted by: Oyster at July 01, 2005 08:36 AM (fl6E1)
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Downing,
we're getting fed up with these Lefty "exceptions to the rule" like BUSH LIES and Ward churchill, Michael Moore, etc.
At least rightwing loonery cuts in favor of our country, not against it.
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 09:01 AM (8e/V4)
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Carlos:'At least rightwing loonery cuts in favor of our country, not against it.'
I beg to differ. Loonery is loonery and even the rightwingers who aren't lunatics are fucking up the country just as bad, or worse, than the leftists.
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 09:11 AM (3D/yw)
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TAKING THE PATRIOT ACT TOO FAR?
Use of Patriot Act against homeless is under fire
N.J. City Criticized for Homeless Lawsuit
Associated Press | June 29, 2005
The USA Patriot Act, in the name of fighting terrorism, allows the government to find out which books and Internet sites a person has seen. It lets investigators secretly search homes and monitor phone calls and e-mail. Now, officials in the wealthy New York City suburb of Summit are using the law to justify forcing homeless people to leave a train station _ an action that sparked a $5 million federal lawsuit by a homeless man.
Richard Kreimer, who filed the lawsuit in March after being kicked out of the train station, said the Patriot Act defense makes no sense.
"Unless they've been smoking those funny cigarettes, I can't see how my civil lawsuit has anything to do with the Patriot Act," said Kreimer, 55, who is acting as his own attorney.
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 09:30 AM (3D/yw)
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Patriot Act controversy aside--Why doesn't Kreimer get a blasted job? Is he incapacitated in some way? Sounds like he's in good enough health to make "funny" comments and get in the paper being "his own attorney." Why are taxpayers and those who support the train through their fares footing the bill for this lazy bastard's domicile?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 01, 2005 09:40 AM (x+5JB)
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Using the Patriot Act to evict homeless people makes about as much sense as using parking/traffic laws to raise revenue. To put it in another way, it's the enforcement-- not the law itself-- that is abusive.
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 09:42 AM (8e/V4)
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>>>>"I beg to differ."
greg,
I'll take a patriotic rightwing extremist over a Leftwing extremist traitor ANY ANY ANY day of the week.
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 09:44 AM (8e/V4)
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I think you fail to appreciate the patriotic fervor of the left.
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 09:57 AM (3D/yw)
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>>>"I think you fail to appreciate the patriotic fervor of the left."
That's a fact.
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 09:59 AM (8e/V4)
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Carlos RE the Patriot Act:'To put it in another way, it's the enforcement-- not the law itself-- that is abusive.'
The law is so vague that it encourages 'abuse' as predicted. Therefore, it is a crappy law. No?
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 10:01 AM (3D/yw)
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>>>"The law is so vague that it encourages 'abuse' as predicted. Therefore, it is a crappy law. No?"
Yes, vague laws can be unconstitutional if they are overbroad in their LEGITIMATE interpretation. But a law is not vauge simply because it is being abused.
Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2005 10:12 AM (8e/V4)
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It's not that so many people have so much against homeless people, but I understand why some are fed up with them. Groups ike the ACLU continue to fight for their "rights" in our courts and giving them carte blanc to keep on with their life style, and providing no solutions for them. Near I work the situation with the homeless is out of control. The ACLU has sued our city so many times for trying to get them out of the area, even when the city offers help and support in the process, that their hands are tied and they can't even get them to move on from an area without being dragged through the courts.
Let me tell you why we're so fed up. There is a public restroom about 100 yards from our business that the homeless are welcome to use, yet, almost daily they prefer to defecate and urinate on the doorsteps of the local businesses. As customers are trying to have a meal on the outdoor patio of a restaurant, the homeless are panhandling from them, verbally abusing them and on more than one occasion even attacking them. They constantly steal the property of the local businesses and often cause extensive damage to those businesses. And the only time anyone can do anything is to catch them red handed and call the police. The police then arrest them for breaking an actual law and they are consequently pressured by groups like the ACLU to release them after a two day jail term so they can go out and do it again.
The vast majority of homeless people are mentally ill. But, because so many laws have been passed prohibiting anyone from forcing them to succumb to psychiatric help, the problem persists.
So which is the more humanitarian approach? Suing municipalities and ignoring the source of the problem, or getting them the help they really need and alleviating the stress for law abiding citizens?
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My point was that I can see why one to go the the lengths of invoking the Patriot Act. It may not be right or even applicable, but it shows desperation in trying to solve a difficult problem.
Posted by: Oyster at July 01, 2005 10:26 AM (fl6E1)
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Oyster: "Groups ike the ACLU continue to fight for their "rights" in our courts and giving them carte blanc to keep on with their life style, and providing no solutions for them."
What, you don't think free sterile needles help?!
"...forcing them to succumb to psychiatric help..."
I'm with you, but we better not tell Tom Cruise.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 01, 2005 10:28 AM (x+5JB)
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Greg, not in a moment of honesty, lucidity, or sanity, said:
"I think you fail to appreciate the patriotic fervor of the left."
Yeah, and you fail to appreciate that we know you for what you are. Your kind doesn't love America, you hate it, and are constantly trying to destroy it. Don't worry though, it will all catch up to you soon. One more terrorist attack is all it will take to put all you Islamofascist terrorist lovers on the endangered species list.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 01, 2005 11:45 AM (0yYS2)
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Probulus Faggimus,
You bitch meat slut hole.
I love Americans, but I don't care for our government. The government no longer reflects the ideals set down by our fore fathers.
As for my lucidity, I'm still suffering from jet lag.
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 12:32 AM (3D/yw)
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Oyster,
Where are the homeless to sleep? Most of the homeless men are veterans that have been betrayed by the VA and America.
And we claim to support our troops. Shameful!
Tom Cruise is right. We overly medicate. For example, 67% of foster children in Texas are on a permanent regimen of psychotropic drugs. Here kid, shut up and take your Meds. Meds, the quick fix.
Posted by: greg at July 02, 2005 12:43 AM (3D/yw)
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Hahaha...uh. What? Oh sorry, forgot to take my Ritalin.
http://tomcruiseisnuts.com/
http://freekatie.com/
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I love Americans, but I don't care for our government. The government no longer reflects the ideals set down by our fore fathers.
Frankly, I thought the comment about the "patriotic fervor of the left" was a joke. Not that there aren't a few on the "left" who, like Hitchens, are genuine admirers of the American Ideology:
1. Anti-statism;
2. Religeous sectarianism; and
3. Egalitarianism (as in equality of opportunity, not outcome).
But as a general rule most people on the left are closet Stalinists, and they know enough to understand that Lockeanism is their mortal enemy. It opposes the left's agenda in two important ways:
1. It represents a genuine alternative to redistributional needs-based economic solutions (something observed with great eloquence and disdain by Frederick Engels).
2. It excludes any system that would place the "commanding heights of the economy" in the hands of the state, as a simple precaution against tyrannical government.
For this reason the left has had a program of disinformation about the Founders for generations, arguing that they were simply a different version of the old enemy: class oppression.
Clever leftists like Moore know enough to pay lip service to patriotism, and even to shed crocodile tears if he's accused of not being patriotic. But they genuinely hate Americanism, because it's in diametric opposition to their preferences and prescriptions.
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Puke Blogging (UPDATED)
I'm getting sick. RS v. 1.5 has been throwing up for the past 4 days. Looks like it's my turn. If I'm not back in a couple of days notify the authorities. Tell them Scott Baio has pinkeye and is on the loose.
UPDATE 6/30: I'm feeling much better now. Thanks for all the well wishes. But last night..........
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Look out for Patrick Duffy on the way home.
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at June 29, 2005 11:35 PM (Dy2Pz)
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He's coming right for us!
Posted by: Beck at June 30, 2005 03:07 AM (ZyH0M)
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Watch out for Wackos!
Improbulus - you are one sick-minded young man who needs to see a shrink.
Carlos- you're too damned mellow, maybe you should counsel the nuts into reality.
Thanos35 - you wear a green mask and dance the conga dance.
OsamaBinX - you and me should go hunting for wasp nests.
Improbulus' dog - you drag pig guts back from the abbatoir.
Greg - you buddies with wildman Justin Raimondo?
BUSH LIES - you little maggot punk, desert-dwelling poser, slapped with the ban that never ends!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at June 30, 2005 07:06 AM (ScqM8)
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I love South Park. I didn't know you were a fan too.
Posted by: George Ramos at June 30, 2005 07:47 AM (qhl8h)
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I am not sure if I should be glad or upset that I didn't make DSM's list. Get well soon Rusty.
Posted by: Defense Guy at June 30, 2005 08:15 AM (jPCiN)
Posted by: Howie at June 30, 2005 08:29 AM (D3+20)
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Yea, Rusty. Pink eye - now this?
Defense Guy: I feel so left out, too.
Posted by: Oyster at June 30, 2005 09:12 AM (fl6E1)
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Looks like the plane made it.
Posted by: Howie at June 30, 2005 09:50 AM (D3+20)
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DSM, in an analytical mood, pontificated thusly:
"Improbulus - you are one sick-minded young man who needs to see a shrink."
I saw a shrink once. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti. Would you like to see my basement?
"Carlos- you're too damned mellow, maybe you should counsel the nuts into reality."
He just needs some anger-enhancement therapy.
"Thanos35 - you wear a green mask and dance the conga dance."
Yes, but he dances naked while waving a pair of machetes around.
"OsamaBinX - you and me should go hunting for wasp nests."
I think you're in one.
"Improbulus' dog - you drag pig guts back from the abbatoir."
There are no pigs in my abbatoir, only liberals. Oh, wait I get it, you were alluding to them... clever.
"Greg - you buddies with wildman Justin Raimondo?"
Greg can neither confirm nor deny knowledge of such a person. (The Jooooooooos are listening. They're always listening.)
"BUSH LIES - you little maggot punk, desert-dwelling poser, slapped with the ban that never ends!"
Amen.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 30, 2005 10:46 AM (0yYS2)
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DSM, I've been known to throw rocks into hornets nests....
Posted by: osamabeenhiding at June 30, 2005 01:36 PM (huFN9)
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You need to try the Feisty Cure for What Ails You (TM) yet...but you should. You'll at least forget your troubles and your worries for two or three minutes. Hee hee. Get well.
Posted by: Feisty at June 30, 2005 03:32 PM (QBrm4)
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Rusty, everyone knows a good laugh cures almost anything:
http://www.big-boys.com/articles/tomkills.html
Tom Cruise killing Oprah, sith style!
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Re: Tom kills Oprah.
It's a lovely fantasy, but then he would absorb her powers and become unstoppable, like in "Highlander". Then again, he lacks the ability to make people turn off their minds, and I don't think he could absorb that from her, it seems innate.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 30, 2005 06:44 PM (0yYS2)
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That's bad, but it's not Gary Johnston puke bad. That's good to hear.
Posted by: Editor at June 30, 2005 11:31 PM (WUwLB)
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DSM,
I do enjoy reading Justin Raimondos articles on Monday, Wednesday and Friday.
Im in Italy. What a strange keyboard, I cant find the apostrophe.
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 06:41 AM (3D/yw)
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Baptism by fire : part II
Well first of all I would like to thank everyone bloggers and readers who took the time to send links and ideas. For me this site is all about getting to read Rusty and also read the comments of some of the brightest people I've seen. I started as a reader and I still consider myself to be just that. While I've been posting up here really it is all of you out there that make the site fun. So before I go a big thanks to everyone who has supported me. Rusty we all hope for your swift recovery.
Now one last thing. YBP wishes to discuss the very foundations of civilization. Since he sent links today I will oblidge him. And remember everyone watch the BP. It's the discussion that makes it cool. Let's not give ourselves a stroke now. I've got to go and do some real work too. I've been jumping back and forth so good afternoon all and....
Have a good one.
Link to the very foundations of civilization
Hat tip :YBP
Guest Posters: A big thanks to you too and feel free to continue as this will be the end of me for today.
Also for those bloggers that I referenced today. I'm still not up to speed on pings and trackbacks so my sincere apologies if I missed anyone or failed to do it correctly.
Updated : Rusty lives. I did get an email and Rusty says he feels a little bit better. I take that as was able to pull my head out of the bucket long enough to send an email. He says he probably will not blog today. Speedy recovery my master.
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Muslim nations vow to help end Iraq insurgency
I'll just say it's about time. I hope this comes to fruition.
"Ministers of member states of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) meeting in Yemen agreed to help "rebuild Iraq and enabling the Iraqi government to maintain security and stability," Yemeni Foreign Minister Abubakr al-Qirbi told reporters."
Full story here.
Hat Tip: YBP
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ill beleive it when it actually happens....fellow Muslims from other Muslim countries go to Iraq and construct schools, housing, office buildings, etc. instead of going there as scumbag terrorists to kill fellow Mulsims and destroy everything in their path...until than i will continue to doubt anything peacefull said by a Muslim
Posted by: THANOS35 at June 30, 2005 02:40 PM (RhtGz)
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When hell freezes over.
Posted by: Carlos at June 30, 2005 04:29 PM (8e/V4)
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Oh they'll try to help end it, but not by helping our side, but rather the insurgents. The Arabs have a strong track record of betting on the wrong horse. When we're done with Iraq we should invade the rest of them.
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IM:When we're done with Iraq we should invade the rest of them.
Spoken like a true fascist!
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 06:46 AM (3D/yw)
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IM:When we're done with Iraq we should invade the rest of them.
Spoken like a true fascist. Bravo!
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 06:47 AM (3D/yw)
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Greg, do you know what fascism is, or did you read it on Noam Chomsky's site and thought it had a nice ring to it? You see, fascism is a leftist ideology, conceived by Mussolini after he became disillusioned with communism and social-ism, which he considered too democratic. Mussolini was a fan of Nietzsche, as was Hitler, as was every other European monster of the early 20th century, and probably as are you.
Fascism espouses constant conflict within a society, culminating within the complete destruction of existing civilization in order to bring about a new one. Fascism is not a struggle against barbarity for the good of civilization, but a struggle against civilization for the good of barbarity, just like all other leftist idologies.
The one universal characteristic of leftism is its constant encouragement of class struggle, with its ultimate goal being the destruction of civilization as we know it. In the future as imagined by the left, there are no nations, no borders, no citizens, no rich, no poor, no rights, and no laws. There will be no nations because the UN will run everything. There will be no rich or poor because all systems of production will be destroyed. There will be no rights and no laws because all decisions will be made by UN commisars. All one has to do is look at Communist countries to see what future you and your friends have in mind for the rest of us.
The only thing I promote is the liberation of all people from tyranny and to give them the chance to taste liberty and democracy. What do you promote? You promote fascism, not me. You promote tyrannical and murderous regimes, not me. You promote an ideology that has been responsible for the deaths of almost two hundred million people in the last century alone. You are misguided, misinformed, and misled, and you have no solutions other than "Burn it down!", which is typical of your kind, the true fascists. I know you and your tricks, so don't think you can toss out a word and watch me dodge it. Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Kim, and you, are all birds of a feather.
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Here's where liberals (and moderates) are GOOD--if they're liberal (and moderate) MOSLEMS who are sick of the murders and help us to knock off (i.e. KILL) terrorists.
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Syria and Iran are members of the OIC. Either they were out voted or they're bullshitting.
Posted by: greg at July 01, 2005 09:22 AM (3D/yw)
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IM:'Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Kim, and you, are all birds of a feather.'
They're more like you, idiot.
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Carlos,
Hell has already frozen over once. I know becaused I
watched the Eagles "Hell Freezes Over" Tour.

And the Eagles
wouldn't lie.
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Never beleive the Yemni officials or official news reports,normally they do the oppositite of what they say.
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Time to release reporter notes
Also today we have the fact that Time magazine is going to turn over reporter notes. While the journalists have refused to reveal their source their employer has caved.
Hat Tip: See Dubya (your advice did help)
Atricle here.
Also blogger John Cole has a post on the issue.
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I'm still wondering why Novak is running free and the press is getting fucked.
Posted by: osamabeenhiding at June 30, 2005 01:28 PM (huFN9)
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It's about time.
Looks like the MSM's smear of America will cost some one some time. Good!
Posted by: Rod Stanton at June 30, 2005 01:50 PM (Z6yVb)
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Sorry for the OT post but this is important. A fine young patriot named Rusten Currie wants to run against Maxine Waters in the upcoming election. As I said, this is important. Waters is one of the best friends terrorists could have, and must be dealt with, and Rusten's the man for the job. Did I mention he's an OIF vet? Yeah, a real-life hero against a real-life traitor. It should be a fun campaign. Anyway, go, NOW!, and offer your support here: http://currierd.typepad.com/currie_for_congress/
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Rod: You know, this is a double edged sword. Keeping sources confidential gives any reporter carte blanc to just make stuff up. We've seen what happened with NYT reporter Jayson Blair and how Dan Rather ran amok and now the fellow who "retyped" the alleged Downing Street memo. But, at the same time I understand that to be forced to reveal sources will dry up those sources. No one will come forward with what might be much needed information. So I have to say that I side with the reporters. We'll just have to use better investigative techniques than they do if we suspect any tom foolery.
Posted by: Oyster at June 30, 2005 02:15 PM (fl6E1)
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They don't want to give up the good because it either names a lib as the leaker or, since in the beltway apparently everyone knew she was a spook, the "journalists" outed her.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at June 30, 2005 02:15 PM (yBHNA)
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Send Novak down to Aruba. Maybe a local Dutchman will slip him a roofie, ass rape him and then feed his bloated, pastie white body to the local crabs.
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Dayam, OB! Agreed though. Osama made a good point. Why is Novak skating if they're so insistent on punishing a crime?
See, Osama? I'm not so unreasonable. Kiss, kiss.
Posted by: Oyster at June 30, 2005 02:28 PM (fl6E1)
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Hahaha....*sticks ass in Oyster's face* Keep kissin'... Yeah, it does seem rather absurd that he's just chillin'. Those reporters aren't innocent either, but at least they have more of a right to expose/report the truth. I know...they don't do it that often, do they? I wish there was a value system in place to force the press to reveal sources and stick to fact. The same goes for politicians. I know Carlos, but let me dream away...
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I'm gonna let that one slide, Osama, because it was much too juvenile to take seriously. Allow me to make peace without you getting snide. Show your benevolent side. I know you have it in you. You and I don't disagree on all that much.
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oyster:You and I don't disagree on all that much.
Osama,
I told Collin he needs to have a serious talk with you. Youve managed to ingratiate yourself with the neocons. WTF?
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Oyster: Ok, you're right. I do have a very nasty sense of humor. Don't let it get to you because we all need to laugh more and not be offended so easily.
Greg: Since my cell was activated, I was assigned to integrate into this blog and attack from within while making butt-loads of cash collecting email addresses to spam & scam. Yeah, right.
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Also, been hearing that Rove is going to be confirmed as the main leaker...should be interesting to see what happens since Bush supposedly vowed to punish anyone in his administration if they were leaking classified info.
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Ground zero reconstruction
Also today Michael L. Siegel has a discussion on the rebuilding in NY. Thanks Mike for sending the link. Osama may be interested. I'm trying to go quickly here as lunch is about over. Still more to come bit by bit.
Link to lawhawks post
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There were tons of great ideas about how to design the replacement towers and tribute to those who died. I think it's a great idea to have such a huge block that they are built on...which was insisted upon by the police and fire dept. to thwart car/bus bombs. My favorite design was the "fuck you" towers: One huge tower with a little tower on each side, classic middle finger architecture!
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Osama: I'm glad to see you were interested. I'm going to let my sphincster relax a bit and then YBP has sent two links.
Posted by: Howie at June 30, 2005 01:44 PM (D3+20)
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been looking at a picture of the tower{a mockup} and the designer,David Childs....looks pretty good, very much like the look on the original towers with just a slightly triangular shape as it grows taller....much thicker base walls...3 feet of steel reinforced concrete and moved back 90 feet from the street to give more room from any blasts if terrorists should try and attack it...much more info on it in the Star Ledger here in NJ...looks good though, much better than that original ugly looking thing they wanted to build
Posted by: THANOS35 at June 30, 2005 02:32 PM (RhtGz)
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Young men, that tower looks like one great big schlong. Whoever revels in it's revolting erection from the ground up is compensating for something.
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That's not it at all, DSM. It's a bold, collective message, not a sense of inadequacy. A finger, not a "schlong". There's nothing sexual about it. Odd that you're the one who sees it that way.
Posted by: Oyster at July 01, 2005 06:10 AM (YudAC)
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Oyster, young man, when someone spends so much to make a schlong that big, they are definitely compensating for something.
If you want some big fake schlong to be a finger, OK. That schlongy Washington Monument is my giant middle finger flipping off those lying punks in the White House and those scumbags in Congress. There's enough finger left to flip off that whacko Rumsfeld in the Pentagon too.
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The Washington Monument is an obelisk. Look it up, Freud.
Posted by: Oyster at July 01, 2005 09:27 AM (fl6E1)
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OK young mussel without a pearl,
At 17min, 16 sec into the film "Osama and Us", you may view your purple mountain majesty in the sweet land of liberty, of which I sang.
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Baptism by fire
Whew where is Rusty when you need him huh?? Thanks for all the links and suggestions. I think I have enough to maybe get us through the day.
Michelle Malkin has a post on a Democratic poll showing that public support for Democrats is slipping faster than for Republicans.
Washington post story here.
Personally for me I think they pick the wrong arguments. The DSM issue for one makes me feel better. It's kind of like a space shot. You had better be thinking about it ahead of time. You can always abort at the last minute. And once the candle is lit, well there is no turning back. So the discussion of if would should have or not is dead to me. The candle is lit people.
Rusty seems to like Michelle so I think he would approve.
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sure, some people, myself included are somewhat dissapointed in some of the things that Bush has/hasnt done or said...no doubt about that, and im sure we have all different ideas on what Bush has/hasnt done or said right....but compared to the hysterical chickenlittle screaming and all the stonewalling and knitpicking coming from the likes of Dean, Dirken, Hillary and many other Dems, Bush has been doing a fair job....yes, it could be better but remember it could always get worse, and sometimes things have to get dark and nasty before it gets better....not every single tiny little thing can be planned for, its just humanly impossible..so i give Bush some kudos for the good he has accomplished...he has more to do and i think he will get more good things done before his time in the White House is done and the Democrats just cant stand the thought of that and are doing all they can to try and ruin anything Bush has planned...i wish President Bush good luck
Posted by: THANOS35 at June 30, 2005 01:27 PM (RhtGz)
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Rusten Currie for Congress!
http://currierd.typepad.com/currie_for_congress/
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 30, 2005 01:56 PM (0yYS2)
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Bush has not done well but Pelosi, Reid, durbin, Teddy,Boxer, et. al. have done horribly. So by comparison he's wining.
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The down trend in either one is cause for concern. It says a lot about how people are being turned off by the polarization caused mostly by the politicians themselves. When they do that, people feel they have to choose a side and they're getting tired of it. Most of us have at least some disagreements with the party we've chosen and don't want to have feel we must tow the party line 100%.
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